I know that the president talked about potentially annexing Greenland… but maybe I missed it somewere,,, when and where was it said that the United States was taking it by force??
Is this just some bla bla narrative that someone cooked up ??

As near as I can tell, this is a preemptive move to prevent Russia, China or other to establish any presence in western hemisphere. There may be natural resources and tt has a strategic location near navigation (air and sea) corridors between US and Europe. Don't want another Cuba......and Russian presence in Cuba is about to take a hit as well. It turns out both China and Russia had big presence in Venezuela already. That is about to go away too. Some heretofore sacred cows are going to slaughter.

But as for Greenland, everything is a negotiation. First marker thrown down was grossly obscene and unthinkable..........leading to what may eventually become an exclusive right to a military base along lines of what we have in Okinawa.

I’m pretty sure the USA has the right to have as much military presence as they want in Greenland. They along with Denmark are the only 2 countries with such things based on a 1951 agreement between the 2. It’s imperialism wrapped up in something else.

Greenland is rich in natural resources.

If Canada would pull their weight we might not have to have Greenland for national security. But nope, they want to play manchild petulant. So we'll get Greenland set up a strong defense and Canada will still not say thank you.

You really believe the U.S is gonna get Greenland?

You don't need to take Greenland for National Security if that's your big worry. You already have an agreement to have a military base there and could have more bases. So yeah, "taking Greenland" is not necessary. I doubt wholeheartedly anyone in this swamp that was to be drained would see increased wealth with the taking of Greenland. lol

But Culture Wars drive political affiliation so go ahead and make it about the manchild petulant. lol

Canada is going to become mutiple Indian or Chinese controlled smaller countries, unless they do something drastic. They relatively soon will be done as a united country ruled by people of European descent.

If we get Greenland, it will be by giving the people a great deal to join us, even though we could take it in hours.

Keith

Be sweet if we could put illegals in northern Greenland until they asked to be sent back to their homeland.

Crazy idea,,,,

Let the people of Greenland decide

There's been talk of making them all rich if they join the US. It would be a mostly win for both countries.

Keith

So let them decide,,

If they’re anything like the indig in northern Canada?? Pretty sure they are very similar

Makeing them rich isn’t going to solve their problems,,,, only make it worse



They need purpose and opportunity

The US could and would provide

Hmm...I wonder how many of you would be ok if the government annexed your properties? Lots cheering over all the imperialism going on lately. How many will keep that same energy when the tables are turned

My heart doesn't bleed enough to think it's not a great idea for the US to annex Greenland and I'm not a fool enough to not see major advantages for both countries.

What do you have logically against it, besides pointless feelings?

Keith

Just pointless feelings, not wanting to be on the side of evil

Your might makes right attitude tells a lot about you. Deep down you have no loyalties, only self preservation. You're the kind of guy who will eat your best friends in the apocalypse. Watch out for them snakes in the grass

but kill babies.....

Just wanted to add

It could be, the folks in Greenland just want to be left alone???

Wouldn’t blame them,,,


Point being,,,,it needs to be up to them

And only them

Most suffering in the world comes from going off of feelings, rather than rational thought. That is evil.

The US isn't going to take Greenland by force. The people would be very well compensated. Russia and China would not hesitate to take Greenland, if they thought we would allow it. Greenland has no ability to defend itself. The people of Greenland have no ability to develop necessary infrastructure.

Liberal ideals lead to generations of people suffering and starving. Thoughtlessly feeding a literal problem doesn't make it go away. It just grows into a bigger problem.

Real solutions need rational thought, tempered with kindness in application. The answer to most problems is a bit of both, but intelligent thought needs to be the larger part.

Keith

Cells , not babies

So you fourm your opinion based on feelings and emotions. Since you have not a single item to list on how or why you cane to that opinion its logical you "feel" like you do because its how you were told to feel.

Women base their decisions based on emotions and feelings more than reason and logic.

Grow a pair and become informed enough to support your position with a logical reasoning fact based approach.

I personality dont know enough about it to fourm an opinion. So admit that and don't spout off showcasing my ignorance.

Why would greenlanders want to be part of the U.S? Next time the bleeding hearts are in power they'll take away seal harvest, polar bear harvest and who knows what else.

If they can join the U.S by voting that means they can leave by voting right?

Ken of the woods those cell make up a human life. Same cells you are made of. I guess you could be murdered and its just disposing of cells as well

You don't have a true concept of loyalty because you believe you owe everyone the same loyalty. You owe varying degrees of loyalty based on connections. Rationally the more ties between you and someone the more loyal you should be. My loyalty to my country is many times greater than to the people of Greenland.

You've missed that I have several times said that the people of Greenland should be well rewarded for joining the US. I've said nothing about forcing them. Use your intellect not your raw emotions.

Keith

Trump putting stuff out there for later moves. Keeping others thinking and on their toes. I work for a Danish company and they’ve committed billions more to growing factories and supply chains over here since he’s been back in office.

You guys ripping on Ken for stating his position based on "feelings" but you feel we should have Greenland for "defense", that's just as broad, unspecific and meaningless as "feelings".

This has all been beaten into the ground before, so here's a few second of effort, copied rundown.




Keith

I'm not sure a US base in Greenland gains us much we can get to our enemies 10 min faster? If it keeps China, Russia, and Iran from having a base in the region I'm for it. 60,000 people in Greenland. Pay everyone there $10k to let us build a base and sign a treaty that no one else can ever build a base and I'm for it. We don't need to take it over.

Trumps hands will be tied by midterms, think the U.S really pulls off a Greenland acquisition before then? This whole thing is a waste of time

yes, we've been told to "follow the Science"...what does the DNA say about those cells? are they redwood trees? perhaps they are bumblebees...

They have empathy for criminals who commit horrific crimes, but no empathy for innocent human babies. There is something very wrong with them. Liberals have underdeveloped amygdalas, limiting their abilities to detect threats and make rational decisions. Brain scans show other logic centers of their brain don't light up properly. They are brain damaged. Hopefully some day people like them can be cured or prevented.

Keith

I never mentioned having empathy for horrific criminals, thats not me.
1, I pray for the collapse of industrial civilization so your list of benefits is subjective , I dont want any of those things
2, if Russia or China try taking it so what? Oh no , we get nuked oohhh. Get over it

Trump was lays the media like a fiddle! And they aren’t intelligent enough to understand it!

Yep.

Wow, you pray for the collapse of industrial civilization?

He's of the woods, sort of like the Lorax in the Doctor Seuss books, who was against the industrialization that wiped out the Truffula trees, except for one seed.

We need both industry and woods. They aren't totally incompatible. Balance is important.

Keith

Yeah , the earth would be better off

Who says we need industry , you? That's an opinion

Most people would not be better off. The earth is comprised of many things, including people. We are not separate from the Earth. We aren't unnatural.

Keith

I think I heard a tree hugging, anti...

It's a valid opinion. Not nonsensical. Without industrialization, most people would die.

Keith

I'm wondering the same thing. Certainly doesn't sound like a trapper.

I didn't say people shouldn't be here. I agree, we are part of the earth. But look at pristine parts of the forest where tribes live as part of the earth and look at the polluted forest of industrialized countries. Big difference

… rare footage of kenofthewoods buying birdseed

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UcQrABKEja8[/video]

Well the left is a cult of death so probably the goal. Lives the fantasy of self sufficient living in the woods. But not really ready for it to not be optional with safty nets, medical issues that come up or how much he really relies on it.

I im no anti. I live a lot of hunting/trapping/fishing. My lifestyle is somewhere between present day Mongolian nomad & 1800s mountain man. I live with the earth not just on it. Your way of conventional American life only destroys the earth

It's a valid opinion. Not nonsensical. Without industrialization, most people would die.

Keith[/quote]

I dont think thats a bad thing. Again opinions are subjective

Lets see your catch pictures.

Receive any government money Kenofthewood?

THEY ARE A MEMBER OF NATO IF ATTACKED THE REST OF NATO COMES TO THEIR AID IFTHAT HAPPENS RUSSIA AND CHINA WIN HE WHO WALKS ON WATER IS GOING OFF THE RAILS

I'm guessing you're going to get an excuse. Something like " i wish I knew how to post pictures".

So, you're a hermit living under a bridge somewhere in Missouri?

I grow pretty nice birds

If ken does not like industialization why is he on the internet preaching we are ruining the earth?

He must have made his phone himself from moss, sinew and turkey feathers lol.

I bet you buy the birds feed and dont gro it all 100% yourself.

I own 4 acres in the Ozarks as a home base

Real deal

That's actually a pretty cool little shelter. How long you been living in Missouri for?

there's nothing preventing YOU from living the life you choose.

just be honest with yourself...if you REALLY wish to eschew modern conveniences, do it RIGHT! (stone tools, etc.)

I love Vlog Creations. My favorite is when they put grizzly bears in a house and try to hire exterminators to remove them. They set them up by talking about having a raccoon or something.

Keith

I don't know...looks like some modern materials to me....

Off & on , 15 years

you are a "Taker", just like the rest of us.

This seems to be the growing trend where I live in the ozarks. The self sufficient 5 acre tent cities.

All stuff I scavenged , all built w/ hand tools

and why does that make you feel superior?

3:24 in is the grizzly bears.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZQ2T...enpseSBiZWFyIGluIGhvdXNl0gcJCU0KAYcqIYzv

Keith

Even the stuff you’ve scavenged,,,, industry produced

and why does that make you feel superior?[/quote]

I never said it did. Was simply adding context to the pictures

Duh , obviously, I live in modern America. There's no way to truly escape it. But if more people lived like their forefathers we'd probably be a lot better off and real change could be made in the world

This Country was founded on the philosophies of Christian people from Northern Europe and the British Isles. My first ancestor in North America left Switzerland and came to Philadelphia in 1707. He then moved west to settle in central Pennsylvania. He paid his own ship passage, asked for nothing, bought land, and was successful. His descendants (my ancestors) have supported this country and fought in every war since the Revolution.

What about manifest destiny? Does it necessarily end at our borders? At the edges of our continent? What about space? Does it ever really end?

What about colonialism? The wealthiest and most powerful people were experts at colonialism. The Vikings. The Roman Empire. The British Empire.

This country has defended, paid, supported, donated, and provided aid to many countries of the world. Does might equal right? Should we never expect or ask for anything in return?

What about self-defense and national protection? Should we be foolish, careless, defenseless, wimps who never set boundaries and then fail to impose or defend those boundaries?

What about Christian missions? Is it not our duty to impose Christianity upon the heathens of the world?

what change in the world do you seek?

untrue.

you are choosing your own level of complacency. and your level of choice is no better than the majority's.

I’m kinda bummed out that you leveled the forrest for your house shed. Why not a tree house or hammock??

Nah , its a lot better

Treading lightly & industrial expansion are 2 different things. If you're unaware, life has a lot of nuances
But yeah, its sad cutting them down. Just do it respectfully

This dude is full of crap. Straight troll.

Would you like more pictures? I have no problem showing you im not full of crap

Show us your CATCHES.

The internet is full of pictures.

That's valid.

There's me wearing one

I strongly suspect you have a hole in the ground for that.

Keith

We now have a pic of Flyinfinn.

Idk who Finn is but it ain’t me

Could've fooled me, bud. And you're coming off wrong.

.. smells like Massachusetts in here

Give us some more personal information so we can find out if you and Keith are related...

Ol fad

lol

Give it a few days and ken will disappear. He comes across as bipolar type 1(not that there's anything wrong with that) and is in a manic phase or he popped a bunch of pervitin trying to be one with his Nazi eugenic ideals.

1.5 year old account that just popped out of the woodworks spouting off all these grandiose ideas of genetic cleansing, being a Mongolian mountain man, and not caring if we got nuked by the commies.

Just let the mania or amphetamines fizzle out

Good call. My sentiments,too.

Whatever the case, that fella is trapping and wearing fur. Probably has more legitimacy on this site than a few of the regulars.

Ol dad

Yeah, he at least clears the bar for the actual theme of the forum.

Wow,,, I come back to tman and see this discussion has gotten rather lively.
I made the post in regards to lots of different social media posts claiming trump is planning on attacking Greenland and that supposedly NATO has threatened the United States with military action if it does so.
I can’t find anything to support this claim and didn’t know if you guys knew something I didn’t or at least knew where I could find legitimate information.

You can find that at some Goodwills, OD.

You live close enough to the Ozarks to know there aren't very many liberal folks living in those hills.

In fact, you can probably smell the meth burning from Oklahoma..lol


Ol dad

Ol Dad just gave me the information on one of his grandfather's. We are 11th cousins that way. Chances are pretty good we are related through his other 3 grandparents too.

Keith

No doubt ! When I was growing up there , it was all about the weed. When I left for the military in '92, meth was starting to make it's mark as a cottage industry.

That is not an opinion. It's a fact. Are you really a trapper, Ken? Where do your traps/snares come from? Do you hammer out all the parts of your trap and assemble it yourself? Do you own/use a motorized vehicle?
You need help, Ken!

Keith is related to all of us!

Hey, Ken o the Woods is using the internet! Isn't that a product of industry?

Well... regarding Greenland, I propose that we trade California for it.

.. but he cries when he has to cut down a tree … so he’s atoned

We are all related to each other and probably mostly traceably so. Ol Dad is my 7th Cousin, Once removed on his mother's side. I think a DNA test would say we are second or third cousins, because of all the shared ancestry

Keith

How do I accomplish this? Do I salute every time I need to cut a tree? Wear my Sunday best? Say a little prayer before?

My approach has always been using a sharp versus dull saw. Quick and painless from what I can tell.

Sorry if it has been stated, I haven’t read through it all, this one really blew up.

But………you have the base and the treaty already for Pete’s sake. You’ve had it for longer thanthan almost everyone on this site has been alive.

I'll almost forgive him if he VOTES, and its conservative.

you realize that Denmark owns Greenland and will not give it up and that NATO stands behind them if the USA wanted to take it yes it could without opposition but in the same sense if they did they probably would loose all there trading partners as most are part of NATO yes the the USA spends a couple of trillion on defense every year but the next 25 are all its allies all part of NATO

We dont need anything from NATO states.

Its all pretty simple. Once we have Greenland stacked up with military. Then we have Canada pretty much surrounded. Simply be cake walk taking that over annex it.

Mac

This is ridiculously ignorant. lol

And the US has been funding most of nato for decades when those members have not been meeting their obligations. They all of a sudden started stepping uo theire defense spending when Trum said if your not paying your part dont expect us to defend you.

NATO is not crap without the US backing

Further more the US should not be in it to begain with. Its a bunch of free loaders that offer very little in return for the US defending them.

Why did the whole United States taking Greenland by force even become a thing?
All I’ve seen or read is monetary compensation to acquire it.
Why would other so called NATO countries be mad if it’s an agreement between Denmark and the USA?
Not saying it’s going to happen..

I just can’t understand where this suggestive idea even came about.

What do we buy from Europe that we cant do here?

Almost nothing thats not alcohol(wine, beer and whiskey).

Just more mase up bs to rant about by those that dont like the US. Another distraction to keep the sheep from the.... what's been coming out this time?? O ya fraud. Has to be Another outrageous headline about eveery 3 weeks or so.

While I agree that the USA has been and is the most important cog in the NATO wheel, I'd hardly call 16% of overall funding, "funding most of nato". Look that up, don't look at the graphs that populists create that try to show how the USA makes up most of the funding as those graphs actually display military spending and try to mislead as NATO spending.

Heck, I'll save you the simple google search.
The United States contributes approximately 16% of NATO's direct, common-funded budget, which is the same share as Germany, the next largest contributor. This arrangement, implemented in 2021, reduced the U.S. share from its previous rate of around 22%.
This common funding (approximately €4.6 billion in 2024) covers the operating costs of NATO's headquarters, joint military exercises, and shared capabilities.

Well, we're a NATO state as you stated.
In the past 5 years, 1 in every 20 homes there is powered by Canadian Uranium.
There are literally millions of American jobs dependent on Canadian energy.
Basically a tenth of all the natural gas demand in the US comes from north.

From Europe, many different minerals that you don't produce enough of , just look it up.

I could go on and on and on and on, but what's the point. I'm sure all of the stuff you currently need and get from Nato states could be replaced in the blink of an eye.

When we get winds from the South this weekend ...I'll stick my sniffah out the window..

And report back.