They should stick out in a snow drift then.

The EU has 25 countries that is one ice breaker per country yet the US has 5? Things that make one go hmmmm! Once again who is carrying the world? Not the EU or its 25 members. Bunch of freeloaders!.

We're building more as well. Just read an article about a contract let out to one of the gulf ship yards.

There are 27 EU country's not 25, 5 of them are landlocked and do not have Navy's at all.

n 2026, eight EU countries operate icebreakers or ice-capable government vessels to maintain winter navigation, support polar research, or conduct sovereignty patrols.
EU Countries with Icebreakers

Finland: The world leader in icebreaking technology. It operates a core fleet of 8 specialized icebreakers (such as the Polaris and Otso) and has several multi-purpose vessels with icebreaking capabilities. A new icebreaker, the Aino, is scheduled to begin construction in early 2026.

Sweden: Operates 6 icebreakers, including the polar-capable Oden. Sweden has also tendered for the construction of new A-Class icebreakers, with the first expected for delivery in 2026.

Germany: Operates the Polarstern, a heavy polar research icebreaker, and several smaller ice-capable vessels for coastal duties.

Denmark: Maintains ice-capable patrol ships, primarily used for operations around Greenland and the Faroe Islands.

Estonia: Operates the Botnica (a multipurpose icebreaker purchased from Finland) and smaller coastal icebreakers.

France: Maintains the L'Astrolabe, a polar logistics and patrol icebreaker operated by the French Navy to support Antarctic research. France also possesses the privately-owned Le Commandant Charcot, the world's only luxury hybrid-electric icebreaking cruise ship.

Latvia: Uses the Varma and other ice-strengthened ships to keep its Baltic ports open.

Italy: Operates the Laura Bassi, an ice-strengthened research vessel used for Antarctic expeditions.

Key Regional Capabilities
The Baltic Sea: Finland, Sweden, Estonia, and Latvia focus on winter navigation, as their ports frequently freeze during the winter months.

Polar Operations: Only a few EU countries (France, Germany, Sweden) possess "heavy" icebreakers capable of year-round operation in the Arctic or Antarctic.

The ICE Pact (2024-2026): In late 2024, Finland signed a trilateral agreement with the U.S. and Canada to collaborate on icebreaker design and production, solidifying its role as the primary provider of icebreaking expertise for the West.

My best GUESS is Trump wants to make it more difficult to disable a missile defense system by controlling who can gain access to Greenland. Acquisition of mineral exploitation is another biggie. Maybe the driving factor.

IMO he ought to lay it all on the line. Might be other NATO countries agree.

Might be he has laid it all out with them and they are opposed. Whatever is going on we won't get the full story.

Pretty sure being able to operate UNDER the ice, would be the bigger advantage/ more important

How many nuclear submarines does the EU have?

Trump threatening our allies over Greenland AND because he didn't actually win the Nobel Peace Prize is going to make for a terrible open of the markets. Bravo.

so the great united states armed forces spends 3x the amount than the Chinese spends and wont be able to stop them from taking over Taiwan and afraid to do anything in north Korea because of the Chinese and 9x more than Russia and cant convince Russia to back out of Ukraine so they pick on little countries like Denmark which is an ally even in Syria the the Russian told the USA army to get out and they did even congress has warned all united states commanders that if any of them send troops to Greenland without congress approval than they will be brought up on war crimes Canada and Europe have both said no to the missile defense plan that the USA has put forth and that probably has (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) off trump more than anything because of the trillions of dollars spent on it and nobody wants it yes here in Canada with our small army but still respected around the world and will help an ally at the drop of a hat we fought in both world wars long before the USA got involved even where the first to storm the beaches in France which cost us and gave valuable insight into what the troops where to expect again in June 1944 stop your whining that the rest of the world doesnt agree with you an your tactics maybe take 100 billion of your defense spending and spend it on education or health care

I suppose you'd be happier with
Harris

I'm thinking all they have are diesel-electrics but I may be wrong. The only nuclear operators over there that I'm aware of is Great Britian and that one may not be in use.

Greenland has long been the western anchor of the GIUK listening post line of sensors to listen for russian subs coming into the Atlantic. Now with the artic opening up maybe we need a line from Greenland to Alaska?

Diesel subs have a very limited amount of time they can stay under the ice

Not sure they’re even in the game, as far as artic defence

I'm under the understanding that the EU subs are primarily tasked with the Baltic and GIUK gap, possibly the Med. Supposedly they can run even quieter than nukes and make great listening posts, but that's just nerd reading the net stuff on my part. I could be totally wrong. I do know that in one recent NATO exercise one, Swedish(?), "sunk" one of our carriers according to what was reported.

It's like to be a wild ride all week.

Been hearing Trump was gonna tank the market for a year now, ain't happened.

Not tanked. Just volatile.

yes you are correct in nato excerises the american carriers have been sunk several times by disel powered subs either american sonar has gone down hill or sonar training but it really doesnt matter in time of war the carrier would be a huge lose

Gotcha,

That's pretty common or no?

Did ya hear our trade deficit is now half what it was?

Well...... let's just say... there's volatile, and then there's "Trump volatile".

I honestly thought it'd be worse until it got better due to tariffs but hasn't been the case.

Inflation down
Exports up which means manufacturing is up
Imports down
Stock market ? I don't follow it close but heard its up.