The 4th Amendment was written based on the assumption that under federal immigration statutes (the Immigration and Nationality Act) that the federal government would in good faith maintain control over who enters and stays in the country legally. Call this Rule 1. Had .gov not allowed that to happen, law enforcement wouldn't need to routinely demand proof of status from everyone fitting the ethnic description because the risk of encountering undocumented individuals would be low, thus, avoiding mass suspicion and civil rights abuses. So in the context of this illegal immigration problem, the 4th Amendment (Rule 2) cannot work correctly because the system is no longer operating under the assumed conditions of Rule 1.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that our laws and rights are being exploited. Are you ignorant, or just upset you can't figure out how to get ahead in life and need something to blame it on?

ol' dad

The 4th Amendment was written based on the assumption that under federal immigration statutes (the Immigration and Nationality Act) that the federal government would in good faith maintain control over who enters and stays in the country legally. Call this Rule 1. Had .gov not allowed that to happen, law enforcement wouldn't need to routinely demand proof of status from everyone fitting the ethnic description because the risk of encountering undocumented individuals would be low, thus, avoiding mass suspicion and civil rights abuses. So in the context of this illegal immigration problem, the 4th Amendment (Rule 2) cannot work correctly because the system is no longer operating under the assumed conditions of Rule 1.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that our laws and rights are being exploited. Are you ignorant, or just upset you can't figure out how to get ahead in life and need something to blame it on?

ol' dad

How do u figure it protects you if your here illegally?
You've done broke the law by being here illegally...
Man, some of you got it bad...lol

What I wrote was in the context of illegal immigration, not a broad opinion. My point is that the Fourth Amendment functions as intended when the federal government upholds its primary duty to control immigration at the boarder. Failure on that front disrupts the balance, making the constitutional protections harder to apply consistently without either undermining enforcement or inviting the very abuses (like indiscriminate demands for papers) the amendment seeks to prevent. These illegal dirtbags know this and are using it to exploit our system.

ol' dad

Lc...your helpless...nuff said
Clean them dishes up...your slack'in

It's not illegal to ask for I.D. I believe reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime is the threshold where you are legally obligated to produce I.D. If the bear says you were speeding or you fit the description, or your on a the immigration arrest list you are obligated to produce I.D. If you have none you are obligated to give your name and birthday. If you only give your name and birthday you may be detained till your information is verified. Most of the citizens "arrested" in immigration sweeps were actually detained while identification was procured. They refused to even give a name/birthday.

You still haven't told me how a police officer is supposed to know how someone is here legally or illegally, without checking ID, so that the 4th amendment rights of those here legally are protected.

they also dont have the right for arresting them for walking down the street just because they cant prove they are a citizen of the USA on the spot im sure most of you cant prove where you where born on the spot