My childhood rural hometown had two girls who were born in the 1940s to mothers who contracted measles during pregnancy. One lived next door. Both infants were born with severe complications and limited mental capacities. One died at about age 16. She required expensive, around-the-clock help for her entire life. The other girl lived into her 60s with developmental issues. Her father was our town pharmacist. Neither child ever went to school. Today, measles is preventable. Today, those girls would probably be enjoying their grandchildren. Their parents died with broken hearts.

If you have an unvaccinated daughter, think about her consequences. There are 920+ active cases of measles in Spartanburg, SC, 50 miles south of me, and the number is rising by 50-75 cases daily. If you have an unvaccinated son, measles might leave him with a heart condition, or he might be left sterile.

If your kids are not vaccinated, I will gladly pray for them each night. Send me their names.

Charles, why didn't you consider that when you supported the party that imported millions of unvaccinated third world illegals?

So Charles.... do you believe all of these cases of measles are the result of white American anti-vaxxers????

Let me grab another beer and some popcorn............

Don’t touch my beer, whiskey-face

The current outbreak started in Gaines County in western Texas in the Hispanic population. Texas Department of State Health services (DSHS) reports that as few as 82% of kindergartners are vaccinated. There is myth that white anti vaxxers are the problem. Minorities get vaccinated at much lower rates.





Keith

but is there any info to suggest the disease has a racial preference? I would have guessed it'd be equal opportunity among the unvaxed.

This point confuses me, and I appeal to your collective intelligence for a logical reason. The regrettable fact that we have unvaccinated aliens among us is all the more reason why our precious children need to be vaccinated against preventable diseases. Do you disagree?

If we have another deadly smallpox or polio epidemic, would you sacrifice your child because of your politics?

Historically, the antivaxxers have almost invariably been among the granola eating hippie types, not the deplorables. It didn't become a thing for the right until the Biden regime mandated a certain experimental rna therapy.

Strange, that I had the measles and mumps at the same time as a kid.
Also had the chicken pox!
Had all the vaccines during the 1950's , as far as I know , grew up just fine.
Although there are people that think otherwise!
JMHO , Back then vaccines were tested and proven by pharmacal companies testing on animals.
And now so many in the government have stock in pharmacal companies, they'll clear anything, as long as the stock rises.
I have no doubt, that pharmacal companies , change the vaccines to cut costs, or to cause demand for a new vaccine.
Proof? The COVID 19 VACCINE.


Could it be just different people are affected differently than others?
I myself have a very low white blood cell count, and when it's normal, have an infection somewhere.
Everyone is different, can't really blame something until tests are done.
Any more , I'm not sure there's anyone in a pharmacal company that can be trusted!
Same with government.

I have to agree with you on this.
Over weight people were rare while I was growing up.
Then it was bad for everyone's health to eat eggs, butter, animal fat, whole milk fresh from the cow, and bacon!
Funny so many people lived into their 90's or more clear back into the 1700's .
Then in the 1960's people all of a sudden got cancer in much higher numbers!
Nothing made by pharmacal companies is better for you.
Otherwise we wouldn't have so many NEW DISEASES!
Diabetics , was seldom heard of in the 1950's or 60's .
Now half the population seems to have it!

My two friends who died of Covid were not overweight, granola-loving liberals. One was my sister-in-law. She left behind a disabled adult son with no income and no father. She could not even visit her 99-year-old mother in a rest home because she refused to be vaccinated. It wasn't my wife's rule, but she blamed my wife because my wife was the caregiver.

Don't search for reasons not to make healthy decisions. Don't blame others. Don't blame politics. It is in your hands only.

Enough on this thread. Good night and stay healthy.

My great-grandmother, born in 1888, was a type-two diabetic and died at home of breast cancer. Disease is not new. Diagnosis is.

Had two friends that died from the COVID 19 vaccine.
Both had bleeding that couldn't be explained, one in their brain, the other as far as the family has told me, was never found, just internal bleeding.
Strange that many that got the multiple jabs, are now dying from strange after effects.
While you're at it, please explain the rise in costs for the E pen!
I have to wonder just how much backing they get from the government!

There was no measles vaccine when I was a kid. 3 day measles was the common name for rubella. When one kid came down with it moms would take their kids to the infected kids house to play. That was the only vaccine. Pregnant women were warned to stay away. I have no problem with a vaccine for it but its not the world ending event portrayed by the media. Seems to me the odds of a kid getting getting bad side effects from measles or mumps in young children are about the same as ill effects from vaccines. Whatever people decide is their business IMO.

Illegal immigration is creating far worse problems than measles.

It is sad that your aching heart can not find a connection to WHY we have the issues you’ve been so concerned with for the last half decade…

A very reasonable and logical approach.

Ever read an old headstone of a child or adult that said died from consumption? that was the unknown diseases of type1 diabetes and cancer.

Myself and lots of kids my age had measles, mumps and chicken pox too. It was common and wasn't the big, sensationalized deal the modern media pretends it is.

But lots of folks seem to buy into that hyped-up crap.

Congratulations on dodging polio and smallpox.

If your about 70 or older you had measles, mumps, rubella, etc.... most of us are fine.... the vaccines for them aren't the problem, and most kids get them without an issue

If I had to guess, most of the new measles are among the unvaccinated illegal's children , whose families brought it here....that's not racist...just true....cause that's what happens here.

I believe consumption was another name for tuberculous.

If you want to be taken seriously you might try posting coherent, on-point replies. This thread is about measles and the related consequences. My initial reply commented that measles was not a big deal before vaccinations eliminated it and how the modern media tries to make it a huge deal through hype and sensationalism.

My second post, which you quoted out of context above, commented on how lots of people believe the media hyperbole.

But...thanks for the congratulations on dodging polio and smallpox...I guess...

Don't think so. I agree with what Danny said, TB.

Listen to your doctor. Hopefully, he/she is not a quack.

Don't get medical advice from the RFK, the media, politcians, influencers or the internet.

You're welcome.

Doctors are taught to tell you what big pharma says. It is all about the money. They don't want to cure you, they just want you to live with what ever you have, so you can keep coming back and getting more pills.

I have had just 2 doctors over 60+ years.
My current Doc, who I have had since the '80s, told me a few years back that both NIH and CDC were now political, not medical, institutions, and that he was heartbroken over it. Felt betrayed.

FWIW, it's not just measles having a resurgence.
Polio ( after a 30 year absence), typhoid, TB, etc

Imported, 3rd world diseases.
Wonder how they got here...

Looking back,,,,,,,Joe Rogan and Robert Malone nailed the whole Covid fiasco

Funny how history forgets

,,,,, or people just want to forget

That could be true I guess in some places. Here, I've known my doctor for years, she is part of the community and cares about it's people. I trust what she says.

Charles and BC jumped to smallpox and pox, two truly horrible diseases, when the measles didn't elicit the correct responses about vaccination.

I never had mumps as a child. I got the vaccine from a pediatrician when I took our son for his childhood shots.

The reference to polio and smallpox were meant to illustrate how vaccines can save lives?

You are correct, tuberculosis aka TB.

Prior to 1945 there was no cure. It was the development of antibiotics that got it.

My grandmother died of TB in 1945, dad was 3. Dad and his brothers would test positive and be given the full round of antibiotics.

Called consumption due to the weight loss associated with the later stages. Once assumed to be consuming the body.

Also believed at one time to a familial or heritable illness and families would be shunned due to having TB. In fact it was familial due to close proximity and caring for ill family members. How my grandmother contracted it as the primary care giver to her oldest brother as he was dying of TB.

For you Vax lovers


Better get started.......get your check list here


https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/vaccines-licensed-use-united-states

Same.

And, if you eat right, exercise, not use tobacco and not drink too much it decreases the chance of doctors throwing pills at you. Not a guarantee but it helps.

I do think that too many people are on too many medications. And, part of the reason is the constant advertising.

I think the problem is a lack of trust in healthcare in general. And justifiably so imo.

Also, it’s hard for young parents to get just a measles vaccine for a kid. They combine it with other vaccines as a combo,MMR. It’s all three or nothing around here.

Two things happened simultaneously that were 100% caused by ice ream joey and his merry band of fools.

1. Illegal immigration reached its highest level ever in recorded history. The number of unvaccinated illegals in this country is immeasurable. But in the name of politics, joey and his fools told us all was well with the border and at the same time not "requiring" them to be jabbed. Spreading covid and all sorts of once eliminated diseases throughout our country. Not to mention the American citizens that were killed by illegals. Thanks joey and associated party!!

2. Requiring covid jabs or possibly losing your job. Some people actually did. There are business owners on this site that said they would fire employees or indirectly force them to find employment elsewhere if they did not get jabbed. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!! Information on the jab FROM THE START was 100% FALSE!!! Anyone with a medical degree or a general understanding of vaccine efficacy KNOWS there is no such thing as a vaccine being 100% effective. And as the efficacy went down so did the media hype. I work for the health dept in a neighboring county. I was privy to the numbers when the media suddenly stopped reporting on their effectiveness and importance. I think it was mid/late winter of 21. The stat reported on infection rate was 30+% infection rate on tested individuals. This was the highest ever. It was also a time when more people had been "vaccinated" than ever and more people were wearing masks than ever. That's correct. More people were than ever had covid and more people than ever had been jabbed and were wearing masks..

How on GOD's green ears can anyone with a brain have faith in a jab that effective? Why would anyone take a jab that ineffective? Why would the government still tout it is of utmost importance to get the covid jab?

The PR damage done by the previous administration concerning vaccines is irreparable. It caused severe distrust overall between the American people and the medical community. It will take a generation to possibly get that trust back. ice cream joey and that wrecking crew caused the American people to doubt all vaccines to an even worse degree than before by lying. Now be careful when you start quoting PRESIDENT TRUMP. Make sure you get the quotes correct. There was a difference.

Your average citizen does not understand mRNA tech and therefore just relates to the word "vaccine". The dems and joey destroyed the integrity of immunizations on the whole. 80 years of applicable science flushed down the toilet in the name of politics. Jenner, Salk, Sabin, Pasteur. All their work rendered useless by politicians lying.

But on the bright side, it did bring to light vaccines infants should not receive. People became more aware of unnecessary vaccines for their babies and infants. There are some vaccines I would consider mandatory for my children. Measles would be one. But that is my choice. Looking back. I feel like a failure knowing my children were given Hep B as infants when it was TOTALLY unnecessary. I have taken the shingles vaccine two years ago. Very glad I did.

So I am not an anti vaxxer but I am much more aware of vaccines now and which ones are beneficial to me and which ones I will take my chances on. So. I guess their lying ways forced people to doubt therefore causing more research by parents resulting in fewer vaccines given that are unnecessary. A silver lining I guess.

But if nothing else, all of this proves, a lie will ALWAYS come back on you. ALWAYS!!!

Thank you for a very reasonable explanation. I agree there are vaccinations that are a must and history has shown the effectiveness of many vaccines to the point of de facto eradication of some diseases. If we've learned anything in the past few years it's the complacency of the general public in just taking at face value the proclamations of the white coated professional "expert" class without doing our due diligence combined with the inevitable "add on" services and billing by the medical industry.
I also agree that the bad marriage of medical/pharma/politico has totally blown up the faith we once had in a profession that once claimed, first do no harm. It'll take a generation to regain that trust, if at all, but only if all involved returns to the basics of fact based research.

I agree bowhunter. Covid was a blessing. My wife and I married in 2020 and quickly had children after that. My wife is very accomplished in healthcare and has many letters after her name. She thought I was crazy when I told her I thought they were going to mandate the shot. Then it all happened. We read up (books) on vaccines and the pro and cons. I have two healthy boys and I intend to keep it that way. I think instead of praying for the unvaxxed Charles, it might be better to pray for those who put faith in a system that ultimately made them worse off all at the expense of profit.

And for those with a side affect fetish



Start here



https://berkowitzlawfirm.com/blog/10-of-the-most-dangerous-prescription-drugs/

Since the Covid shot has been brought up in this thread and as if anyone needed another bad example of the shot. we've got a friend whose Mom received a booster covid shot a few years ago. Within a couple of days she couldn't walk or use her arms. Her motor skills/coordination went to crap as well. She had to go through months which then turned into over a year of physical therapy to regain enough mobility to do some things again. She still has many issues which are not going to get any better. She will drive herself around here but will not go anywhere far or a bigger city or town. This is a direct result of the covid shot nothing else. The Dr admitted that the shot is the cause, boy they must feel proud of that. This is the closest example that we have but not the only one in our small area.

My wife and I both got the J&J shot in April of 2021 when many employers were strong arming employees to get it and also Biden's government was threatening to ban people from flying unless they got the shot and carried the card with them. We go on quite a few vacations so we got the shot. We have not gotten any boosters and have no plans on getting them either. If someone else wants to get one go right ahead but if you think that's going to safeguard you I think you need to do a little research. It's a personal choice you do you and leave others alone and I'll do the same.

As far as the other vaccines go if you can't connect the dots or manage to draw a straight line with the influx of illegal immigration (aliens) and third world diseases coming back you must be as dumb as a stump. IMO..

We live in a crazy world.

The average life expectancy in the mid 1700s was 38 years.

That’s only due to childhood mortality. The life expectancy age was still about the same if you made it to adulthood.

The Stand by Stephen King should be mandatory reading on how quickly a virus spreads.

Any one else notice that certain hospital systems won't allow their DR's to give out sample drugs?
While others do?
Cleveland Clinic DR's aren't allowed to give out samples, while University Hospitals allow their DR's to hand out samples.
Wonder why?

Follow the money..........