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Re: THE DOW [Re: Turtledale] #8561600
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If you are going to invest in the S&P 500 you don't need an advisor. No point in paying someone else to do what you can do at no cost.


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Re: THE DOW [Re: Turtledale] #8561601
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True.


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Re: THE DOW [Re: white17] #8561604
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Originally Posted by white17
If you are going to invest in the S&P 500 you don't need an advisor. No point in paying someone else to do what you can do at no cost.

^^^^^this^^^^^^

Re: THE DOW [Re: beaverpeeler] #8561859
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
When my mother finally couldn't be at home by herself any longer my "smarter" older siblings sold her house and invested the money in the stock market for her long term care. That $170,000 turned into 89,000 in less than two years before it finally got pulled out.

For short term the stock market is a super risky option.

Yes short term can defiantly eat your lunch especially if you don’t invest it right. That 170 k should have been split into money need over 5 years and the rest invested in 0 cost index funds. I run 60-40 60 percent stocks and 40 percent cash investments like rolling T bills or cds at 6 or 12 months.I keep 7 years cash investments to weather any huge down turns on my market investments. The key is to rebalance at least 2 times a year so you keep your investment balanced.



Re: THE DOW [Re: Turtledale] #8561862
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I forgot to add that I’m 3 years in retirement so if your younger and building towards wealth keep it all in the market until you approach retirement.



Re: THE DOW [Re: jabNE] #8561902
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Originally Posted by jabNE
Oh I don’t know about calling it a casino.
Stock market has a pretty consistent, demonstrating a long time pattern of up about every three years then maybe down one. Cycles right along with election years. Investing is a marathon not a sprint so I don’t get too excited over the swings up or down (records included) I just watch the long term patterns and direction. If you have a good diversified portfolio and a disciplined approach of feeding it, and patience, it’s hard to beat the stock market for average gains over the long haul.
The folks that go in/out tend to do the worst unless I course you are excellent with options and day trading. But that approach is also the fastest way to lose if you are not good at that.
Been very good me over past 35 years investing. You cannot beat the power of compounded earnings over time.
Even a couple good growth mutual funds with lost costs will generally get you an average of 12+ percent gains over time and I don’t know anything else that will push those returns out consistently over time with so little hands on needed.
Jim



Spot on....compounding interest is the 8th wonder of the world. If you dont have exposure to the market, you are missing out...

Re: THE DOW [Re: beaverpeeler] #8561923
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
When my mother finally couldn't be at home by herself any longer my "smarter" older siblings sold her house and invested the money in the stock market for her long term care. That $170,000 turned into 89,000 in less than two years before it finally got pulled out.

For short term the stock market is a super risky option.

My mom spent the past 9 years in the nursing home. My dad wrote a $10,000 check to the nursing home every month for 8 of those years. He passed away a little over a year ago, then I had the honor of writing those checks until she passed away last December. My pops never made over $25/hour in his life, had no nursing home insurance and paid mom's way every day she spent in the home. Had he not taught himself how to invest in the stock market some 35 years ago, Medicaid (we) would have had to foot the bill. I don't fault your siblings on the investment decision, if that was the majority of her life savings, the nursing home was going to get it all anyway, I think. At least by investing in the market there was a slim chance to prolong the inevitable.


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Re: THE DOW [Re: trapperkeck] #8561961
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Originally Posted by trapperkeck
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
When my mother finally couldn't be at home by herself any longer my "smarter" older siblings sold her house and invested the money in the stock market for her long term care. That $170,000 turned into 89,000 in less than two years before it finally got pulled out.

For short term the stock market is a super risky option.

My mom spent the past 9 years in the nursing home. My dad wrote a $10,000 check to the nursing home every month for 8 of those years. He passed away a little over a year ago, then I had the honor of writing those checks until she passed away last December. My pops never made over $25/hour in his life, had no nursing home insurance and paid mom's way every day she spent in the home. Had he not taught himself how to invest in the stock market some 35 years ago, Medicaid (we) would have had to foot the bill. I don't fault your siblings on the investment decision, if that was the majority of her life savings, the nursing home was going to get it all anyway, I think. At least by investing in the market there was a slim chance to prolong the inevitable.


No it was a dumb move. Should have keep the cash they would be needing in a high interest savings account cd or other safer investment. You never put money you will need soon into the market. If it drops when you need it you are forced to sell at the bottom. Keeping enough in safe investment you can access so you can wait out correction and are not forced to sell at the bottom. She was not in the position of having time to wait for the market to recover.

Re: THE DOW [Re: Turtledale] #8561963
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There are many books out there on investing, and some are very good. I have read quite a few, and some are very good, others, well, not so much. I would recommend a new book written by Jim Cramer called "How To Make Money In Any Market". For those new to stock investing, it is very good at explaining the words and phrases used on wall Street, what P/E means and how to use it, what to look for in various sectors, and probably most important, how to DO YOUR HOMEWORK. That is crucial to understanding your investment.
Unlike simply checking boxes for your 401K employers offering, you can learn about individual companies, industries, and more. This book explains very well how to invest knowledgably.
Don't be afraid to own stock. Just be smart about it, and understand that while the "Market" often doesn't make sense, it eventually corrects its mistakes, and with a sound investment strategy, and time, you will make money.


Just doing what I want now.

Re: THE DOW [Re: Turtledale] #8562078
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Nothing wrong with reading books on investing,,, everyone should

IMhO,,, it’s more important as an investor to understand basic economic theory

Understanding the system we are in,,,, and where we are headed(the future)

Helps greatly in investment decisions

Re: THE DOW [Re: Turtledale] #8562087
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How many have their SS retirement deposited with their wealth mamagement account instead of a checking account? A wealth management account can earn money and you can get paid monthly from the management account.


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Originally Posted by spjones
Nothing wrong with reading books on investing,,, everyone should

IMhO,,, it’s more important as an investor to understand basic economic theory

Understanding the system we are in,,,, and where we are headed(the future)

Helps greatly in investment decisions


Can you explain the bold lettered quote. Are you talking Market Timing or Predicting Markets???
Just trying to understand that advise.


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Re: THE DOW [Re: 70sdiver] #8562096
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Originally Posted by 70sdiver
I forgot to add that I’m 3 years in retirement so if your younger and building towards wealth keep it all in the market until you approach retirement.

I disagree. Everyone has different goals and needs. Know them both and make your decisions accordingly.

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Even just the basic understanding of the differences between Keynesian(current system sorta,,,) and Austrian economics is very useful

Helps explain the effect the central bank has on everything (inflation/ interest rates/money supply) and many other things (wages/ supply / political influence),,,,what’s going to happen in the future

There’s other theories,,,,,

Could write entire essays on it,,,, but I’m not going too

It’s an excellent question for AI if you’re interested,,,, and you should be!

The more you dig into it,,,, the easier it is to predict what’s about to happen,,,,, and how equities are going to be affected

Which at the end of the day,,,,, as an investor you’re trying to do




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Originally Posted by spjones
Even just the basic understanding of the differences between Keynesian(current system sorta,,,) and Austrian economics is very useful

Helps explain the effect the central bank has on everything (inflation/ interest rates/money supply) and many other things (wages/ supply / political influence),,,,what’s going to happen in the future

There’s other theories,,,,,

Could write entire essays on it,,,, but I’m not going too

It’s an excellent question for AI if you’re interested,,,, and you should be!

The more you dig into it,,,, the easier it is to predict what’s about to happen,,,,, and how equities are going to be affected

Which at the end of the day,,,,, as an investor you’re trying to do




Interesting!! With some of your quotes I would be very hesitant to follow your advise. Markets stock markets aren't for short term and predictions is worthless to an investor. You get in stay in ride the waves for the long haul. You win by staying the coarse and keep on through bad times. Selling shouldn't be a first option every for the die hard investor. So what happens tomorrow if it crashes you stay the course and after the war you become stronger and have a large pot/stash.


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Re: THE DOW [Re: Turtledale] #8562190
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There’s plenty of examples of if you rode something to the bottom,,,, You’ld still be at the bottom

Blockbuster video/kodak/horse buggy/ etc

The life expectancy of most companies nowadays is less than 15 years,,,, and getting less by the year/day with technology

Just in the last 3 weeks. New AI technology has been developed that will crush the software companies,,,,clawbot/openclaw

All I’m saying is Understanding “economic theory” will help from getting wrecked,,,and profit

But u do u

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