I see there are several businesses suing to get back illegally collected taxes with interest and in some cases asking for damages. I think the government should just hire some help and spend their time and money figuring out how much they owe people and businesses and start cutting checks. Treasury should get going on issuing new treasuries so this mess can be cleaned up. I don't think businesses or individuals should have to spend more time and money to get their illegally taken money returned. They have been boned enough. IMO.

I'm one of those who's been boned to the tune of roughly $11,000. The current system is beyond broken

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Lawyers will make out , consumers who paid higher prices won't get doodly. Business' might collect higher profit from gouging people over tariffs , then suing govt. to get money. JMO

I've always said we need to do away with income tax and go to a national sales tax. Couldn't get more simpler than that. And everyone pays into it.

How was a business gouging people by passing off the cost of taxes to the voters for the taxes? They did not know they would get a refund. Put the blame where it belongs.

I voted for trump and he is full of BS. I paid in the same amount and these single legs wide open chicks who have 4-12 kids are making bank. I will NEVER in the remainder of my lifetime vote again. George Carlin was right.

they are all crooked. they answer to someone above them and they truly are not running this country. why should these harlots be getting money back when they are on section 8, food stamps, snap, and getting their utilities paid by us who have worked all of our life.

this is absolute BS and I am now a person who dislikes all forms of govt due to their lying ways and their refusal to do what is right.

pay the reparations to those of us who have unknown to us been funding these worthless POS,

Dirt is talking about tarriffs

How bout end taxes all together. They print money at will as it is, they don't need ours.

No, I'm talking about taxes. You call them whatever makes you happy.

Here's a famous quote: "I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle."

Unfortunately those drains on society get one vote, just like the productive ones.

My point was , if they passed the extra cost to the customer , why should they get anything back ? You think they are going to track the consumer down and reimburse them ?

A tarriff is a tax but we should specify which tax you would like to see a rebate. There are dozens upon dozens of different forms of taxes.

It's not a rebate. It's restitution.

Call it what you will.

Just please don't call it reparations.

more like a retribution

It is worth noting again, corporations don't pay taxes. People pay taxes.

If a company passed on the tarriffs they really didn't pay them, their customers did.

And we could do away with the IRS completely at that point. Just that in itself would save the taxpayers untold money. But then again our government no longer does what is best for its citizens, no matter who is in power.

"elections give you the illusion you have a choice, you don't....... George Carlin

Of course the businesses paid them. They paid the tax bills. If they ever get their money back and surcharged their customers ( like Fed Ex did) they can decide what they want to give back to their customers. Maybe if they get a windfall of restitution they can decide to pass the good will on to their future customers or not. Not their fault consumers paid more. Maybe Consumers can class action for some money back like the government appears to be making business do?

BTW wasn't the story that all these foreign countries were paying the tariffs?

Are you hitting the sauce?

I guess I'll answer your questions since nobody answered mine about easy or hard.

The people and business who actually imported and paid the illegal duties should get the money back, because its the law and the government should not end up with any money from this. Ideally, the government should lose money on this whole mess.

Some companies are planning to reimburse their consumers they surcharged. However, who is responsible for all cost of the effort time and effort companies will have in paying these duties and consumers and the resulting paperwork and legal fees?

It’s hard to say how it is going to shake out.

I do question anytime “anybody “ says “other countries “ are paying these taxes…

The small consolation is that income tax time is my turn to prepare the books.

Just wanna know why they take $1200-$1500 out of each check and it still end up getting back only like $1200 if I'm lucky ???

Someone has to pay for welfare and nation building. Thanks for your contribution

Because you’re not in charge of telling them how much money you made, someone else is. Self employment is the best way to thwart this,despite the government’s oppression of people that drive this country…as opposed to the minions that just get a check from the man and blindly slave onward….lol

Your government knows best, Wolfdog.

Welcome to the world of responsible adulthood. Just wait until the take that much or more and still have to write a check at the end of the year

Dirt I'll answer your question, it should be hard. Why not, everything else is

It should be just as hard for the taxpayers to get a refund for all the fraudulent monies that are stolen with the help of inept and corrupt politicians that are supposed to oversee the money that was confiscated from me.

Don't forget the opportunity costs incurred by those who paid the illegal taxes.

The damages could get ugly. I think the taxpayers may get off cheaper if they just stop fighting and start paying. Sounds like the governments new tariffs will be found illegal too. Rinse and Repeat.

New section 122 taxes

I would assume most businesses passed on tarriffs cost to the consumer or they're dumb. Saying they would track down and rebate their customers is dumber , never going to happen.

"NEW YORK (AP) — Delivery company FedEx said in a statement on Thursday that it will return any tariff refund it might get to shippers and customers who paid them."

Reuters

Of course the whole idea is to encourage “ made in America “, what’s wrong with that?

I can see FedEx doing that because they have all the shipping documents that show who paid what.

Be pretty much impossible to do that with retail businesses

Promoting an American worker first is the antithesis of globalism.

The only cure is a sound money standard

"What this Means:
Tariffs on goods used by a large number of U.S. firms, like steel, make it difficult for U.S. producers to compete against foreign rivals, both at home and in export markets. Tariffs on steel may have led to an increase of roughly 1,000 jobs in steel production. However, increased costs of inputs facing U.S. firms relative to foreign rivals due to the Section 232 tariffs on steel and aluminum likely have resulted in 75,000 fewer manufacturing jobs in firms where steel or aluminum are an input into production. In addition, depressed global demand for durable consumption and investment goods related to policy uncertainty and increased costs from the trade war may be dampening demand for steel and weighing on steel prices. Tariffs on additional inputs into production made with steel are likely to exacerbate these adverse effects on the manufacturing sector."

PIIE

Some ideas are wrong.

"The trouble with tariffs, to be succinct, is that they raise prices, slow economic growth, cut profits, increase unemployment, worsen inequality, diminish productivity and increase global tensions. Other than that, they’re fine."

JP Morgan Asset Management

Either Tariffs or we all work for peanuts like the third world countries you want to buy cheap junk from.

let's talk about cheap junk. I just bought a coil, cdi, and stator with wiring harness for an ATV. total price $88. Just the trigger coil part of the complete Stator assembly OEM was $75.
All those components installed and working. They certainly were cheap, we will see if they are junk. It would sure take more than a 300% tariff to get those aftermarket products anywhere near OEM price. With a 30 to 50% tariff I would still be buying the cheap stuff and just paying the tax.

Eventually you would have to buy theirs, we were headed there fast. More and more of a consumer nation daily..

I'm all for free trade, zero tariffs. Other nations didn't see it that way, so what's our options?

Can inflation dropping to low levels all the while tariffs were applied be explained?

Makes me think there is a bigger picture to be looked at.

Inflation is not at low levels. It is pretty much where it has been since end of 2024. Tariffs are just one inflationary pressure. Most of the tariffs have been reduced and a bunch have been eliminated since Liberation day so the pressure is pretty minor now.

Correct,

The same low levels compared to the previous 4 years and DIDN'T go up after tariffs instituted. Ya can't argue that.

Tariffs are one part of the equation as you said, and can have positive results in home grown production and better paying jobs.

Remember what Ross Perot said about the great sucking sound?

To simple

It was about Mexico. What he say about free trade with Europe( or Europe north: Canada). Those working men in Europe got it better than in the USA.

are you DAFT??

inflation at the end of 2024 was 3-4 times what it is now.

Huh???

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

inflation was near 9 percent for awhile, under Biden.

perhaps I got my years wrong.

my real point was that PRICES don't come down, even if the inflation rate does...at least they never did during/after the inflationary period during the late 1970's

Where is my apology?

You're sorry.

Technology is deflationary

We have entered a hyper “technology” era,,,

Prices will fall,,,,,drastically

The illusion of rising prices comes from an increase in money supply

The problem coming up is technology is going to put huge parts of the population out of work

Mainly “white collar” workers at first,,,,

People are going to start wanting more social programs(UBI,,etc)

Causing governments to increase money supply even more,,,

Which is inflationary

Mr Perot was talking about Mexico at the time because that was the subject at the time. Trade with all countries has been eased since then.

there, there...I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

How's the job market in the U.S.? Hard to find one?

"The data in Table 1 shows U.S. average tariffs for Mexico, Canada and the rest of the world in
1989, 1993 and 2001. The U.S. simple average tariff applied to imports from Mexico declined from 4.01
percent in 1989 to 3.15 percent in 1993 before falling further to 0.52 percent in 2001."

Job market is ok. Real wages have fallen.

It's all been propped up by debt.

You did notice those protectionist tariffs we had against Mexico prior to NAFTA were not very protectionist. The ones (Mexico's tariffs) that got eliminated against the U.S. were far higher.

Mexico-U.S. tariff cheat sheet