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Re: AR Gun question [Re: HayDay] #8590294
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Originally Posted by HayDay
For guys (like me) who are not up to speed on "building" an AR......which could also be described as assembling a bunch of components.........I had to look it up as to what we would getting ourselves into. The part that would have me scratching my head would be installing the barrel, as in normal bolt gun terms, that is normally done by a gunsmith to handle the very specific issue of getting the chamber headspace right.

But then guys throw around terms like upper and lower and bolt carrier group and trigger group, etc. To those on outside looking in, hard to figure out what all that means. I have learned the "lower" is the actual "rifle"........the lower is the part that wears the serial number and is subject to the FFL rules. Seems odd as on a bolt gun, the action........what resembles the upper on an AR is the "rifle". All else are parts that get bolted on. Hard to imagine you can buy all these parts and only thing really matters or controlled is the "lower" or action on a bolt action rifle.

And if AR's work like most everything else, if you care about accuracy, what matters more than all else combined is the barrel. Good barrels shoot.......and junk barrels......not so much?

But as for the assembly of an entire purchased kit........what is the order of difficulty? Easy peasy or better have some skills? I've always heard that even brain surgery isn't hard.....if you know how.

Lastly, I can see no upside to going to .223 and no downside to going 5.56........does that sound right?


Link to an old thread I did thag should he'll explain building an upper lots of pictures
https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/8177204/6mm-arc-pt-2-load-testing#Post8177204


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Re: AR Gun question [Re: Blaine County] #8590369
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Daniel Defense is a really good upper middle range option.

Figured you would aim for the centerline. lol

Bottom line is there are good low end AR’s. If you do a bit of research you can get a good shooting rig for < $800.00. ADC and I mentioned where to put another $125 for.

Re: AR Gun question [Re: beartooth trapr] #8590412
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PSA has their Easter sale going on. Check out their website.

Re: AR Gun question [Re: beartooth trapr] #8590526
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how are pickets mill ar's?


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Re: AR Gun question [Re: ~ADC~] #8590541
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
IMO, just for fun type gun, buy one of the cheapest, put a $100-125 drop in trigger in it and a decent scope on the top and you'll be happy with the results. I have less than $500 in mine an it shoots really well....

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Re: AR Gun question [Re: beartooth trapr] #8590542
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There are 100's of YouTube videos on putting AR-15'S together. Like I said before get a good drop in trigger and good barrel and your good to go. I have been around 100's of AR's and seen very few of the cheap 400.00 to 600.00 AR's that shot good. Now when I build one for a guy I shoot it after it's together and if I can't shoot 5 shots at 100 yds less than a half inch I send the barrel back for a new one. A rifle that will only shoot a inch ot inch and a half at 100 yds. Will really shoot bad at 300 yds.

Re: AR Gun question [Re: beartooth trapr] #8590545
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Buy the cheapest parts you can find. Buy a barrel wrench. Buy or make the tool to install the pins that hold the upper to the lower. Put all those cheap parts together and go shoot it.
Now you're experienced and can buy better parts and assemble a better rifle.

Re: AR Gun question [Re: minklessinpa] #8590575
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Originally Posted by minklessinpa
how are pickets mill ar's?

Huh?
English please.

Re: AR Gun question [Re: beartooth trapr] #8590610
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Pickett's Mill Armory. I had to look it up. Based in Georgia , a veteran owned company making AR rifles and parts.


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Re: AR Gun question [Re: beartooth trapr] #8590655
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Does the PSA (or others) have an abbreviation glossary page?

How is pistol lower differ from other lower?

We need more options LOL.





Re: AR Gun question [Re: beartooth trapr] #8590658
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Have a springfield victor saint. Been a good gun. Have had a bunch, dpms, black rain, bushmaster, anderson, psa. Never had an issue with any.


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Re: AR Gun question [Re: Wright Brothers] #8590750
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Unless your talking about say a 9mm lower, they are different. But any standard AR caliber 223, 300 Blackout, 6.5 Grendel, 6MM ARC, 22 ARC and so on all use the same lower. In MN AR 's are considered a handgun with the grip. But can build them into any caliber you want and barrel design. Like a 10.5 inch pistol barrel or 16 inch rifle.

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Re: AR Gun question [Re: Wright Brothers] #8590804
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Originally Posted by Wright Brothers
Does the PSA (or others) have an abbreviation glossary page?

How is pistol lower differ from other lower?

We need more options LOL.


An other can become a pistol or a rifle but starts incomplete.

a pistol lower was completed as a pistol , it can be made a rifle and go back to being a pistol

an other becomes whatever it is first finished as , I always toss a pistol buffer on every lower before doing anything else to it making it a pistol and retaining the ability to do either

an other is a non functional piece of metal or plastic with a metal serial number embedded in it. it needs parts to become either a rifle or a pistol so it starts as an "other"

basically they over complicated things in trying to infringe on your rights in 1934 and then had to make a bunch of things like "other" "AOW" and such to un-paint themselves from the corner from their lack of understanding of what they were doing in 1934

did you know rifles and shotguns were required to have an 18 inch barrel , until in 1968 the US government realized it had sold Millions of SBR short barrel rifles to citizens in violation of it's own law. so they just made it 16 inches so that those millions of guns wouldn't be violations.

much like they had done with the millions of 22 rimfire guns in 1936 when they were made aware of their mistake.

and also in 1936 since a lot of prominent business men and senators and such had pre-1934 Ithaca defenders a 14 inch barrel shotgun so the AOW was born with a 5 dollar tax stamp so the well off could still own them. 5 dollars in 1936 was a weeks groceries.


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Re: AR Gun question [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8590805
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by Wright Brothers
Does the PSA (or others) have an abbreviation glossary page?

How is pistol lower differ from other lower?

We need more options LOL.


An other can become a pistol or a rifle but starts incomplete.

a pistol lower was completed as a pistol , it can be made a rifle and go back to being a pistol

an other becomes whatever it is first finished as , I always toss a pistol buffer on every lower before doing anything else to it making it a pistol and retaining the ability to do either

an other is a non functional piece of metal or plastic with a metal serial number embedded in it. it needs parts to become either a rifle or a pistol so it starts as an "other"

basically they over complicated things in trying to infringe on your rights in 1934 and then had to make a bunch of things like "other" "AOW" and such to un-paint themselves from the corner from their lack of understanding of what they were doing in 1934

did you know rifles and shotguns were required to have an 18 inch barrel , until in 1968 the US government realized it had sold Millions of SBR short barrel rifles to citizens in violation of it's own law. so they just made it 16 inches so that those millions of guns wouldn't be violations.

much like they had done with the millions of 22 rimfire guns in 1936 when they were made aware of their mistake.

and also in 1936 since a lot of prominent business men and senators and such had pre-1934 Ithaca defenders a 14 inch barrel shotgun so the AOW was born with a 5 dollar tax stamp so the well off could still own them. 5 dollars in 1936 was a weeks groceries.



Pete a pistol grip shot gun sold that was from the manufacturer should also be called in and marked as sold as other. The definition of shotgun is shoulder fired and its not rifled so not a handgun.

The ignorance of the gun laws is ridiculous.

Re: AR Gun question [Re: beartooth trapr] #8590874
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Thanks for those replies.

The way I read this a guy should buy pistol lower
to cover all the bases?
I'll bring this up to the Smith.
He likes my questions ha.

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Any reputable gun maker makes good AR’s. You can go as cheap or expensive as you want. You can also go as heavy and light as you want, so remember that. Walking around with a 15# rifle isn’t fun. I have a DPMS that shoots great but it’s HEAVY. I have an SFAR that shoots great and it’s light, even with a suppressor and thermal.

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