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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: jbyrd63] #8595135
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College coaches making 10 million/year plus, and the college[PSU] is closing rural campuses.


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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: Blaine County] #8595139
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
NIL is bad. College sports are not the same as they were or should be. My oldest daughter is a recent graduate and was a DI athlete at OU. She made a couple thousand in NIL money for appearances at events--still don't like it even though she thought she was flush. Funny thing is she would have appeared for free.

But let's stop pretending Trump is fixing anything with distracting Executive Orders that are unconstitutional and unenforceable.

He is just trying to grab headlines and shift focus. And, it works on some people.

Stay focused hard working Americans. We have real and actually serious things to be concerned about.


Quit reaching. Trump has a ton on his plate and didn’t go looking for this. It’s been a hot button issue since it started and the media and principals involved brought it to him. Yes he could have ignored it but he did what he did, crazy as that seems of a president.
It hasnt taken him away from anything. You seem baffled by a guy who can multi task.

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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: jbyrd63] #8595149
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What is going on in college athletics today is the same reason why nearly all professional sports leagues have a draft, contracts and salary caps. Otherwise, the large market teams dominate and there is no parity. Probably been this way for long time (Cam Newton comes to mind) just the Name Image Likeness issue has exposed it for what it is. Now out in the open vs under the table.

Either way, either these are amateur students or they are not. If not, then pro rules apply.


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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: jbyrd63] #8595156
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When a student is given a full scholarship to play a sport, it should come with consequences. If that student leaves the college for another, he/she should at least pay the school for the unused portion of the scholarship, if not more.

Jumping from team to team is not healthy for college sports, and students turning pro after one year is a major disappointment. Imagine if Duke University still had Cooper Flag and Xion Williamson.

A red shirt season should only be allowed for medical or academic reasons. Minimum SAT/ACT scores should also be enforced. Not sure how I feel about posting each student's GPA in the official school roster.

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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: jbyrd63] #8595161
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Name, Image, Likeness (NIL) is simply the rules athletes must abide by to keep playing the sport. It is basically that they must claim income made from companies useing their NIL (name, image or likeness) in advertising. Why does it seem so many people are against people getting paid for their work? Do you tell your kids to go to work and not accept a paycheck? NIL is NOT the athlete getting paid to play, it IS making the company that uses their status as an athlete for advertising, pay them.


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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: jbyrd63] #8595162
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Sponsoring companies should donate to the university that is providing free education to the student.

Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: jbyrd63] #8595171
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I ask this question in all seriousness. Is the NIL the same as or part of or separate from the transfer portal?


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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: charles] #8595174
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Originally Posted by charles
Sponsoring companies should donate to the university that is providing free education to the student.

Heard the other day that Tyson , not sure if sponsoring is the right word, is getting the Tyson logo on all 19 of the Arkansas Razorback collegiate team jerseys. Not sure how much of a "contribution" they had to make. G.

Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: jbyrd63] #8595177
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Just a suggestion for those interested regarding tax payer dollars and higher ed funding and the concept of citizens having a say. Do a deep search on the way NCAA funding/revenue generation works and how its actually tied to university operations. Its not as simple as you're making it out to be.

Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: Trap Setter] #8595180
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter
Name, Image, Likeness (NIL) is simply the rules athletes must abide by to keep playing the sport. It is basically that they must claim income made from companies useing their NIL (name, image or likeness) in advertising. Why does it seem so many people are against people getting paid for their work? Do you tell your kids to go to work and not accept a paycheck? NIL is NOT the athlete getting paid to play, it IS making the company that uses their status as an athlete for advertising, pay them.


Hmmmmm..........starting QB for U of MIssouri last year was a kid who transferred in from Penn State. I think U of MO was his 3rd or 4th team. Anyway, he played about 8 games before getting knocked out rest of season with injury. U of MO played in a bowl game, but that QB had already entered transfer portal to go to yet another team. Him and about 5 to 10 other players like him also left to go elsewhere.

Friend of mine goes to games and is a low level alumni supporter. So I asked him why the kid left? He was doing OK at U of MO. He told me that U of MO was only paying him $1M that year........based on his success, some other school offered him $2M. Also, towards mid season it was announced that U of GA had filed a lawsuit against one of U of MO players......a starting defensive tackle........who had transferred to U of MO from GA. Claim in the lawsuit was GA had payed the guy $800,000 to play and he left anyway.......had violated terms of his contract. Contract???

And my guy also mentioned that Texas A&M Aggies had a wealthy alumni who told them to go get whoever it was they needed to win national championship. Budget? Unlimited. Would pay whatever it took. Rumor has it they paid their QB somewhere in ballpark of $10M to $12M.........for his NIL........but of course conditional upon playing for the Aggies. School pays or alumni pays but student athlete is paid.

As per current rules of the road, these are not amateurs. They are pros playing for highest bidder. Time for pro compensation rules to apply


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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: jbyrd63] #8595184
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What is falling down funny is when you see these student athletes appear on a TV ad with wealthy booster. You see how it's done. Athlete standing next to wealthy booster and somehow manages to mumble out his very short lines..........and might have taken 20 takes to get there. Does not bode will when you realize the kid probably can't spell Missouri let alone find it on a map...........and wealthy booster looks like an idiot standing next to him. You see it for what it is........and it's not good.


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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: Trap Setter] #8595187
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter
Name, Image, Likeness (NIL) is simply the rules athletes must abide by to keep playing the sport. It is basically that they must claim income made from companies useing their NIL (name, image or likeness) in advertising. Why does it seem so many people are against people getting paid for their work? Do you tell your kids to go to work and not accept a paycheck? NIL is NOT the athlete getting paid to play, it IS making the company that uses their status as an athlete for advertising, pay them.


I get what you are saying Trap Setter
I have a friend who plays D1 women's basketball.
she gets paid yes , not a lot , and as she put it because they are considered self employed it gets taxed at the highest level figuring she pays about 25% in taxes.
I think she needs a better accountant but another topic.

they are pushing these athletes so they could not have a job to support them through college , they are pushing them hard enough they are at a high likely hood of injury , she got injured last august and will not be able to play till this years season starts.

This is not high school basketball they are being flown to games all over the place they keep up a very tight schedule.
they may also be on a team now that is very heavy on their position or their year of college.

people see the top of the top who hop schools potentially for money.

there are a LOT more athletes who are making moves to get play time rather than spending it on the bench because of the makeup of the team they are with now.

1 move per year does seam reasonable

she is looking to move schools and has to wait for the portal to open before she can talk to anyone about moving.

my point is they are getting paid a portion of the crazy amount of money being made on them

a person shouldn't work as hard as they do to play a sport and still have to graduate with a pile of debt.

getting a portion of the money made from what you do for an organization seems fair.

yes it seems unfair that some teams seem to have significantly more money than others.

if you are going to leave college with injuries you will take with you for a lifetime , you should definitely not have to pay for it all as well. not while the organization is making money on you.


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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: jbyrd63] #8595190
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want to end this junk.


No more athletic scholarships in Gov't funded schools.
Then limit amount of money Gov't funded schools can spend on athletics.
Make the limit low enough that full time coaches, assistants, trainers etc can't be hired.
No money for athletes from gov't funds.

Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: jbyrd63] #8595225
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College sports is big business.

Why shouldnt the athletes be able to profit off of their work, dedication and expertise?


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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: jbyrd63] #8595231
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Please help me understand all of this.
NIL is paid by sponsors , of companies , weather sports paraphilia, or insurance, or what ever.
Now colleges are also paying the players, other than scholarships ?
Above and beyond the scholarships?
Something just isn't right about all of this.
Sports betting is behind all of this for a fact!

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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #8595236
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Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
Please help me understand all of this.
NIL is paid by sponsors , of companies , weather sports paraphilia, or insurance, or what ever.
Now colleges are also paying the players, other than scholarships ?
Above and beyond the scholarships?
Something just isn't right about all of this.
Sports betting is behind all of this for a fact!



I don't know how exactly all the revenue streams come in but yes , college athletes in D1 get paid , D3 don't as I understand it I have friends with D3 track athletes on scholarship and a friend that is a D1 basket ball player who does get paid above the scholarship.


technically all 3 are private schools

those students still have living expenses , a car , apartment. student athletes also often end up half way across the country from family so they don't end up going home for the summer they are at school year round with some level of training.


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Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: Scott T] #8595430
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Originally Posted by Scott T
There are things the government should stay out of and this is one of them. Guidelines should set but not by executive order.

The NIL era was ushered in by a series of court cases and some individual states' laws (notably California):

https://lawforbusiness.usc.edu/the-...e-pay-reform-and-the-development-of-nil/

The NIL era happened because government didn't stay out. Why do we sit by and let California impose their values on the rest of us?

Re: Trump to fix NIL MESS [Re: jbyrd63] #8595441
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