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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: JTfromWV]
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04/18/26 03:12 PM
04/18/26 03:12 PM
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McGrath, AK
white17

"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
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"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
Joined: Mar 2007
McGrath, AK
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Babbitt would have no bearing on this subject  This is some of your best work. Not a very high standard at that !
Mean As Nails
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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: WhiteCliffs]
#8600531
04/18/26 03:16 PM
04/18/26 03:16 PM
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Joined: Mar 2013
Fall Creek, WI
TraderVic
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Fall Creek, WI
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Many Federal Regulations enacted at the national level are carried out in each state by the responsible agency ; some examples are ; your respective state DOT carries out federal DOT highway requirements for roads, bridges, etc., construction and maintenance ; the federal DE (Dept of Education) enacts education requirements and your respective state DE sees that they're applied in your public schools, etc, etc. The EPA, as well as Congress, develop policies, guidelines and requirements for many environmental areas, Clean Water, Clean Air.....are two examples. Here in WI, the federal (and state) policies are typically instituted by WDNR amd DATCP (Dept of Ag, Trade and Consumer Protection) and primarily enforced by WIDNR (because DNR has legislative authority and DATCP typically does not. In Minnesota, the state enforcement agency for soil & water, air, etc is MPCA (MN Pollution Control Agency).
Ok, so there is oversight, however there's several things that influence how well (or not) our natural resources are managed and protected ; politics and consistent funding, as you all know, both can and do change intermittently.
Anyway.......it's not as easy and straight up as one might think. I worked 32 years as a Soil and Water Conservationist for USDA. I started with SCS (Soil Conservation Service, now known as NRCS [Natural Resources Conservation Service]) in 1979. I have a pretty good idea how the Feds (and some state agencies) work, and so I always have concerns....
Regards, Vic
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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: WhiteCliffs]
#8600564
04/18/26 04:58 PM
04/18/26 04:58 PM
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The Hill Country of Texas
Leftlane
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"HOSS"
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The Hill Country of Texas
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So your concern is that the same guberment that keeps Samolis from cheating the system would be saving you from unscrupulous mining companies? Ok maybe some concern would be warranted.
What"s good for me may not be good for the weak minded. Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: JTfromWV]
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04/18/26 08:26 PM
04/18/26 08:26 PM
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MN
160user
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MN
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Babbitt would have no bearing on this subject  This is some of your best work. That is quality! Sadly, only a small percentage of people will get it.
I have nothing clever to put here.
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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: WhiteCliffs]
#8600641
04/18/26 08:32 PM
04/18/26 08:32 PM
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MN
Steven 49er
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MN
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It's better to rely on communist China and 3rd world countries to procure our necessary minerals.
"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: Steven 49er]
#8600936
04/19/26 02:17 PM
04/19/26 02:17 PM
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sseMinnesota
blackhammer
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sseMinnesota
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It's better to rely on communist China and 3rd world countries to procure our necessary minerals. Maybe if we quit depending on fancy fishing electronics we wouldn’t be so dependent on them? LOL
Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: WhiteCliffs]
#8601178
Yesterday at 12:45 AM
Yesterday at 12:45 AM
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MN
Steven 49er
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MN
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I can live without it.
Can you live without your car?
Phone?
Anything electrical?
"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: WhiteCliffs]
#8601266
Yesterday at 09:57 AM
Yesterday at 09:57 AM
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Lake Mille Lacs , MN
2poor
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Lake Mille Lacs , MN
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It’s pure ignorance to ignore our Natural Resources while purchasing from an adversary !
It’s a lazy man who can’t find his wife a second job !
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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: Steven 49er]
#8601269
Yesterday at 10:15 AM
Yesterday at 10:15 AM
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Joined: Jun 2008
sseMinnesota
blackhammer
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sseMinnesota
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I can live without it.
Can you live without your car?
Phone?
Anything electrical?
We all could live without phones. Just because we need minerals doesn’t mean mining shouldn’t be regulated. It does require common sense regulating not catering to environmental activists or tribes . But like everything else these days it’s political with straight party line voting.
Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: coytrpr]
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Yesterday at 10:18 AM
Yesterday at 10:18 AM
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Idaho
bearcat2
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Idaho
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My two cents. I spent most of my working career with the BLM and USFS. This land is currently National Forest. The environmental analysis done by the Forest Service showed there would be substantial pollution from a mining operation to public lands. During my time with the BLM I had a highly respected geologist tell me that 95% of mining on Federal lands are nothing but scams. Most people aren't aware that congress under both major parties have chosen not to replace the 1872 Mining Law which still governs mining on federal public lands. Having had to permit mining claims myself I can tell you most are not legitimate and the bonds required under current law are insufficient to remediate the damage when the operation is complete. The public is left holding the bag and has to pay the price to clean up the left-over mess. There is also the continuing and increasing failure of public officials and government agencies (and employees) to do their jobs in enforcing current laws and regulations in all aspects of our society. Responsible mining absolutely has its place in our world. The professionals in the US Forest Service evaluated the risks and impacts of this proposal and found it detrimental to the environment and the public interest. Bought and paid for politicians of both major parties overruled them. Another example of why term limits are needed so we have people representing the public interest in congress and not the agenda of their corporate masters. We are destroying our nation for a dollar and the very resources we as trappers and hunters depend on. Drinking water is the most critical resource we have in this country and it's becoming scarcer every year. No project negatively affecting this basic human need should ever be approved. Could you please post your references for clean drinking water becoming scarcer every year? I haven't been in the Boundary Waters since I was a kid in Boy Scouts, and haven't researched the proposed mining at all, so can't comment on that. But unless you can prove differently, I very much doubt that clean drinking water is actually getting scarcer in the US.
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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: bearcat2]
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Yesterday at 04:50 PM
Yesterday at 04:50 PM
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Manitoba
Shakeyjake
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Manitoba
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Could you please post your references for clean drinking water becoming scarcer every year? I haven't been in the Boundary Waters since I was a kid in Boy Scouts, and haven't researched the proposed mining at all, so can't comment on that. But unless you can prove differently, I very much doubt that clean drinking water is actually getting scarcer in the US. Here’s the AI version of the evidence. Sounds like the US is about a year or 2 from becoming a Somalia!…….lol I know there’s some that’ll be scared of this because they believe everything AI tells them.
Last edited by Shakeyjake; Yesterday at 04:51 PM.
Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew
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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: WhiteCliffs]
#8601401
Yesterday at 04:55 PM
Yesterday at 04:55 PM
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Joined: Jun 2022
Manitoba
Shakeyjake
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Manitoba
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If you don’t like the answer, change the way you word the question………lol. I know there’s only a few on here that believe AI, but here’s proof that it’s complete BS. Try it, it’s pretty funny. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2026/04/full-56418-291332-img_1247.png) This sounds better.
Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew
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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters?
[Re: ceelmo.trap]
#8601507
Yesterday at 09:43 PM
Yesterday at 09:43 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Moved to Fbks, Ak.
martentrapper
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Moved to Fbks, Ak.
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No protected land is safe Anwr is getting opened up so may as well open up drilling both the east and west cost The U.S. oil producers sell more of the oil produced here than we keep here and use As Trump said on the tv come buy here we have more than we need. You're a Democrat voting for dems that want to take guns.....I bet!
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