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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: spjones]
#8602229
Yesterday at 09:02 PM
Yesterday at 09:02 PM
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Province of Ontario, Canada
Hunter 1
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Spjones,
I think that if you were to look around, you will quickly find that every Country has their issues...with some are just unwilling to admit it.
I`m not suggesting that everything is perfect in our Country, but when I see the wars and nonsense that goes on in some Countries, overall, I feel we have it pretty good.
We don`t live in a Country where a weekly mass shooting is the norm, we have plenty of natural resources, good health and education systems which is accessible to all.
We still benefit from half decent social programs which are accessible to most Canadians.
In some Countries, political alliance appears to dictate how quickly you get assistance during a disaster...not in this Country.
If I am not mistaken, when southern Alberta was flooded years ago, many Canadians from other provinces donated to assist Albertains....Isn`t also fair to say that when forest fires hit a good part of Alberta other Provinces joined in to fight fires....
I would suggest to you that this solidarity still exists today despite what you may think, believe in or trying to portray with your movement.
Maybe the glass is half full and not half empty.
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: spjones]
#8602234
Yesterday at 09:30 PM
Yesterday at 09:30 PM
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Manitoba
Shakeyjake
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I’m a APP member/organizer and involved in the actual fund raising Is there a reason that funding isn’t public knowledge? There shouldn’t be anything to hide. Transparency goes a long way in movements like this, hiding doesn’t look good. BTW, I’m coming out to Westlock this summer. Looking forward to blowing some $$$, but if Gord Klassen raises his hand at the auction, I’m done……lol The ATA has a ton of money & support from the younger generation, a good model for our province’s association.
Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: spjones]
#8602237
Yesterday at 09:32 PM
Yesterday at 09:32 PM
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Idaho
bearcat2
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Idaho
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If Alberta is successful in securing independence,,, they won’t lose Canadain passports, or pensions
People live internationally and still have passports and collect pensions
Sometimes multiple passports/pensions
A person will be able to renounce their citizenship if they so choose,,,, it’s a process, but it happens all the time
Or they could renew,,,,
People born in an independent Alberta will automatically get alberta citizenship
It happens all the time,,,all over the world
Again,,current passports/citizenship/pensions are not a problem,, you’re grabbing at straws
Shakey,, I can assure you APP/SF is a grass roots organization totally funded locally
Why do you think Canada will allow you to keep citizenship? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Alberta's independence, I believe by my reading of the Constitution every state in the USA should be able to secede if they want, also, but we already fought a war over that and lost. I suspect the Canadian government will similarly not want Alberta to leave. If they do let them go, I suspect there will be a lot of sour grapes and they will yank citizenship, and may very well confiscate property owned by Albertan citizens in the remainder of Canada, and may create a lot of red tape and hoops for Albertans to jump through to visit the rest of Canada. Likely it will be much easier for Albertans to visit the US, but that may depend on who is currently in power in the US also. It wasn't all that long ago you didn't need a passport to travel from the US to Canada, a drivers license sufficed, but 911 and some states giving licenses to illegal aliens put an end to that.
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: Hunter 1]
#8602244
Yesterday at 09:47 PM
Yesterday at 09:47 PM
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Joined: May 2019
Saskatchewan
rvsask
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Saskatchewan
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Spjones,
I think that if you were to look around, you will quickly find that every Country has their issues...with some are just unwilling to admit it.
I`m not suggesting that everything is perfect in our Country, but when I see the wars and nonsense that goes on in some Countries, overall, I feel we have it pretty good.
We don`t live in a Country where a weekly mass shooting is the norm, we have plenty of natural resources, good health and education systems which is accessible to all.
We still benefit from half decent social programs which are accessible to most Canadians.
In some Countries, political alliance appears to dictate how quickly you get assistance during a disaster...not in this Country.
If I am not mistaken, when southern Alberta was flooded years ago, many Canadians from other provinces donated to assist Albertains....Isn`t also fair to say that when forest fires hit a good part of Alberta other Provinces joined in to fight fires....
I would suggest to you that this solidarity still exists today despite what you may think, believe in or trying to portray with your movement.
Maybe the glass is half full and not half empty.
You forgot the many hay bales to save cattle herds sent in different drought years, the most being 100000 bales in 2002. For the record, I’m with you. It’s no wonder communities seem to be dying, everyone for themselves now.
Last edited by rvsask; Yesterday at 09:48 PM.
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: spjones]
#8602245
Yesterday at 09:52 PM
Yesterday at 09:52 PM
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alberta
spjones
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alberta
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Shakey,,,, when you’re out this summer, attend an APP event for yourself,,,,,,ask
There going to be everywhere
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: spjones]
#8602261
Yesterday at 11:07 PM
Yesterday at 11:07 PM
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Alberta
CDNLongline
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Alberta
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What does this have to do with Trapping? Answer: Zero
Trapping isn’t a hobby - it’s a lifestyle
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: CDNLongline]
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14 hours ago
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Alberta
Norwestalta
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Alberta
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What does this have to do with Trapping? Answer: Zero Yet here you are contributing. Anyways I do a sovereignty patrol everytime I'm on the line to make sure my part of the western border is secure. To the others yes.we help each other out provincially in times of need. I suspect we will continue to be that way. That's what neighbors do. Seems you fellas might be harboring some animosity towards us. Why would you be mad if a democratic process resulted in Alberta independence. I'd think a hellya congrats guys would be in order rather then looking for pay back from helping someone in need.
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: spjones]
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Manitoba
Shakeyjake
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I think some of the followers are left in the dark. Think about it. Doesn’t it raise red flags if a “grass roots” group pops up, taking advantage of the anger all the western provinces have for Ottawa? The best place for this to take hold was Alberta, where the most of the money & anger was. Nobody does this stuff for free, and in the end…… all for nothing.
Someone mentioned Forces guys backing the movement. The ones I know are Canadian 1st. They even got ticked off when they saw upside down Canadian flags during Covid. Their friends died with that flag on their shoulder, they still carry steel jammed into their legs they picked up while wearing that flag on their shoulder. Are they ticked off at how they’re treated? Heck yea and so is everyone else, but they remember what serving means and the men who died so you could have the freedom to run these domestic campaigns.
In the end, I hope it garners serious attention that the west deserves. I just hope it’s the big money behind this that is out a few bucks, not the average Joe.
Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: spjones]
#8602306
7 hours ago
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alberta
spjones
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alberta
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Everyone is a volunteer,,and there’s not an organization under more scrutiny in Canada than APP
I’m not involved in compiling a donor list,,,
But if I was,,,
With the recent history of small donors haveing bank accounts illegally frozen and peoples lives ruined for supporting a legal cause
I wouldn’t release a donor list either
BTW: just a trapper discussing a topic with another trapper
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: spjones]
#8602315
7 hours ago
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Manitoba
Shakeyjake
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You bet spjones! There’s a ton of turmoil in this country and unless the PCs can get their crap together, it’s going to continue. Like chief Wiggams tie getting sucked into the hotdog roller……..” This is gonna get worse before it gets better”…..lol.
I “lol”, but it’s really not funny.
It’s the seats thing that really screw over the west. When the elections are already kinda decided by the time they count Quebec, there’s a problem.
There was a small movement in western Ontario wanting to split and join Manitoba a while back. They too felt forgotten by Ottawa & Toronto.
Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: spjones]
#8602332
6 hours ago
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Alberta
Norwestalta
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Alberta
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Jake that was me that mentioned the veterans and of the 10 i lnow personally 9 are in favour. I haven't talked to the 10th.
The newfs and those not living in Alberta I've got one that says good luck and the other is against.
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: spjones]
#8602336
6 hours ago
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Ontario
Saskfly
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Ontario
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I’ve been reading through this thread and I appreciate the civil discussion so far. One thing I haven’t seen addressed in much detail is how an independence movement would practically deal with First Nations and treaty issues.
Several First Nations in Alberta have already said their treaties are with the Crown, not with the province, and they’ve started legal challenges based on that. From what I understand, they are arguing Alberta can’t unilaterally leave Canada while bringing treaty land with it.
For those involved or supporting this movement, how do you see that being resolved in a realistic way? Is the idea that treaties would remain with Canada, be renegotiated, or something else entirely?
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: spjones]
#8602356
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alberta
spjones
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Each FN will get 1 vote, just like everyone else
Reserves are federal, and make up less the 1% of Alberta
The reserves will EACH individually have multiple choices,,,,
They can stay exactly as they are,,,, nothing changes,,,, ruled by Ottawa,,, same treaty rights
They can negotiate a new deal with the country of Alberta,,,ruled by Edmonton,,,, same treaty rights
Or they could negotiate a completely different deal and get with modern times,,, actual individual property rights
It’ll be up to each individual group
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: spjones]
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jeff karsten
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Don't have a dog in this hunt didn't read all the pages are there any Alberta folks on here against the split or are they all from different provinces?
olden tyred
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: jeff karsten]
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Saskatchewan
rvsask
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Don't have a dog in this hunt didn't read all the pages are there any Alberta folks on here against the split or are they all from different provinces? I wouldn't say that I am against, nor would I say that I am for. The selfish side of me is kind of for just because there is a large number of Albertans that hunt my turf every year for whitetails and black bear and I know this opportunity would disappear for them when they are no longer residents of Canada.
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,,
[Re: rvsask]
#8602424
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Shakeyjake
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I wouldn't say that I am against, nor would I say that I am for. The selfish side of me is kind of for just because there is a large number of Albertans that hunt my turf every year for whitetails and black bear and I know this opportunity would disappear for them when they are no longer residents of Canada. Na, if you're a licensed outfitter you're laughing. Albertans are all pretty much oil tycoons........ or at least spend $ like they are......lol
Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew
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