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Dogless or dog #8602407
04/23/26 11:20 AM
04/23/26 11:20 AM
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Up a creek MT
jnsff69 Offline OP
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What's yur opinion for advantages and disadvantages.
Likes & dislikes.
Reasons for one or the other (excluding already have, no reason to switch)


Ya can't miss fur if yur traps are out somewhere.
Or so I've been told.
Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8602419
04/23/26 12:00 PM
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I spent the majority of my trapping life with dogged traps but in recent years of using dogless traps I can see myself moving more that way as I need more traps or need to replace traps. Until the advent of the heavier dogs like you see on MB 550s or the Duke 650s, we stiffened our dogs with a backer piece. And only having an arc welder back then, I blew through a few dogs before I figured out how many amps were just right. With a mig it’s far easier. It’s still one of those tedious jobs I dislike.

I’ve modified several #3 DLS with dogless pans and really like how they come out. I end up with an adjustable tension pan that sits flat and level with or slightly below the jaws.

As to advantages one over the other I can’t really say other than the dogless traps have one less part for the coyotes to bend, spindle or mutilate. But I’ve caught some big piles of coyotes on dogged traps and just dealt with the occasional bent dog. How’s that for an ambiguous answer.


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Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8602498
04/23/26 03:59 PM
04/23/26 03:59 PM
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There’s a couple things I like better about the Montgomery style dogless design.

One, it’s dogless. Duh.

The second is with that design, the pan is able to sit quite a bit lower in relation to the jaw faces, much lower than a traditional dog-on design at least.

Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8602533
04/23/26 06:43 PM
04/23/26 06:43 PM
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South Ga - Almost Florida
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Bridger dogless design.

No negatives.

Adjustable nut/bolt design dogless pan.

Trap beds easily and stable...better than any trap I've used and I've used many brands and sizes.


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Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8602543
04/23/26 07:07 PM
04/23/26 07:07 PM
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Georgia
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Mongomery system, once adjusted they don't go out of adjustment unless damaged. No nuts or bolts to tighten or loosen. No dogs to get bent or introduce creep or varying pan position due to a loose dog eye. Pans don't get bent and beat up if you leave the stud and bolt on the pan.


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Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8602552
04/23/26 07:32 PM
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Montgomery dogless style for me also

Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8602556
04/23/26 07:47 PM
04/23/26 07:47 PM
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Rochester, MN
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I’ve used the Montana #3 dbl coils and love they are dogless. In either offset or tight jawed, they were awesome. Arthritis is keeping me away from foot traps or I’d still be using them.


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Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8602648
04/23/26 10:35 PM
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I rate the dogless # 2 SJ Montgomery with a modded lever and jaw width as tied with the dog on MB 550. The Mont. is everything Boone said plus it is lighter in weight, initially cheaper, slightly larger jaw spread area and sets easier. The MB has better cast jaws but is heavier and more expensive. Never had a coyote tear either pan apart or lose a dog from the frame. Out of the box the MB wins but the dog less Mont is as good as it gets when modded for me. Got some Mont SJ dogless in Sioux Falls the lot for 4.00 ea which makes the additions cheap enough when you can do the welding. Those wide cast jaws of the MB make it hard to beat, tougher and I don't see any more loss or foot damage on either one when compared in a (our) daily trap check law. Boils down too - How deep is your checkbook vs. how good of a welder are you? From this side of the fence. .............................the mike

Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8602702
04/24/26 01:23 AM
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dogless -ease of setting, less dead spot, less maintenance- just more advance trigger IMHO


if your lucky enough to live in the BIG woods your lucky enough
Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8602907
04/24/26 03:09 PM
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I had always used dog on traps, and didn't think I would like dogless... until I tried them. I far prefer dogless now. Coyotes may bend up a dog, wolves will bend any dog made, not every one will bend the dog, but I would say 80+% of the time when you catch a wolf in a dog on trap, you will be straightening the dog in order to reset. Never had a problem with dogless traps needing straightened, regardless of catch. Less moving parts, which means less things to hold on to when setting. I've got plenty of glove fingertips between the dog and pan over the years, can't recall ever having that issue with a dogless trap, because my fingers aren't near there. I like my pans lower, so all my dogless traps latch on a tab on the inside of the jaw, rather than on the top of the jaw.

On the plus side for dog on traps, any idiot can make a dog that will work out of scraps laying around with simple hand tools, it takes a little more finese to make a dogless pan that will work, set properly and level. But it can be done, and is much less likely to be necessary in the first place.

Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8603220
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Dogless is much easier and safer to set, especially the big traps, (think KORO #9), and even the TS-85. No fumbling with the dog. Just lift the pan. And all the advantages listed above.
Now if there was a way to night-latch a dogless....

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Just doing what I want now.

Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8603237
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The Wolf Creek dogless traps are a copy of the old dogless montgomeries.

Re: Dogless or dog [Re: scheide] #8603298
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Originally Posted by scheide
The Wolf Creek dogless traps are a copy of the old dogless montgomeries.


With Northwoods levers, the one flaw of the monties was the low levers. Northwood levers are better.


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Re: Dogless or dog [Re: alaska viking] #8603406
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Originally Posted by alaska viking
Dogless is much easier and safer to set, especially the big traps, (think KORO #9), and even the TS-85. No fumbling with the dog. Just lift the pan. And all the advantages listed above.
Now if there was a way to night-latch a dogless....

There is. Just look at a Bridger dogless pan. Factory night-latched.

Not sure about night-latching those sloppy Montgomery and Wolf Creeks ya'll love.


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Re: Dogless or dog [Re: alaska viking] #8603413
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Originally Posted by alaska viking
Dogless is much easier and safer to set, especially the big traps, (think KORO #9), and even the TS-85. No fumbling with the dog. Just lift the pan. And all the advantages listed above.
Now if there was a way to night-latch a dogless....

The ones I am making are nightlatched. The nightlatch is on the tab the pan latches to.

Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8603501
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Yes, I forgot to emphasize the spring levers are replaced with Bridger ones on my modded old Mont. SJ #2's so thanks to Warrior for bringing that up. The pivot (attached) point of the pan to the cross member is (proving the Archimedes lifting principal) a little better trigger design for me. The fulcrum point farther away (outside the jaw) makes the entire pan to be used as the lift lever, both easier and requiring a shorter distance to release the pan at the dogless contact point. The physics are better for me with the older design than the newer ones but.......... probably splitting hairs when not needed as "its not rocket science"! PLus once again, I like the reduced weight when hauling, setting and moving lots of sets. The 550's are still hard to beat in farm country but the #2's equal them for me here. My experience. ................................the (lazy) mike

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Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8603527
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I night latched 2 dozen of my Victor Monties. Just need a triangle shaped file.

Re: Dogless or dog [Re: Willoughby] #8603558
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Originally Posted by Willoughby
dogless -ease of setting, less dead spot, less maintenance- just more advance trigger IMHO

Completely agree


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Re: Dogless or dog [Re: jnsff69] #8603605
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Oh, my bad. How I forgot about my favorite wolverine trap, the NO B.S. Canine Extreme. The ones Kendall made for me, (closed jaws), are night-latched and very precise. I will use a triangle file, as suggested, to my TS-85s.


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