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Religious Question #8625167
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Would satan knowingly do anything to glorify God or is it always a surprise to him when God does something good with his dirty deeds?


-Goofy
Re: Religious Question [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8625198
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Ive heard He makes lemonade out of lemons....


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Re: Religious Question [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8625204
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Would satan have offered GOD the world if he would have known the answer?


How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Re: Religious Question [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8625205
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Satan can not know the future.

Re: Religious Question [Re: maintenanceguy] #8625207
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Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
Satan can not know the future.


Surely he has enough past experience to predict what would glorify God?


-Goofy
Re: Religious Question [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8625232
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From 1 Corinthians chapter 2:
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7 but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;


'rulers of this age' presumably applies to political and religeous leaders of the day. But 2 Corintians 4:4 refers to satan as the 'god of this world'. I do wonder to what extent it applies to him too?


-Joe
Re: Religious Question [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8625241
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Wow, thats deep. How would anyone possibly know?

Re: Religious Question [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8625249
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On a side note; it's interesting that many people incorrectly give Lucifer God-like qualities.
Lucifer is not; all-knowing, nor ominipresent.


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Re: Religious Question [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8625250
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I think.... what God would consider evil........ initially......often leads to good.


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Re: Religious Question [Re: waggler] #8625257
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Originally Posted by waggler
On a side note; it's interesting that many people incorrectly give Lucifer God-like qualities.
Lucifer is not; all-knowing, nor ominipresent.


I thought it was pretty well known that he knows only what he observes.

Last edited by HobbieTrapper; Yesterday at 11:01 AM.

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Re: Religious Question [Re: waggler] #8625478
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Originally Posted by waggler
On a side note; it's interesting that many people incorrectly give Lucifer God-like qualities.
Lucifer is not; all-knowing, nor ominipresent.


I think it's interesting that people think Lucifer is another name for Satan.

Re: Religious Question [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8625510
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To answer your question, Hobbie I believe the answer to be no. The Bible describes Satan as a liar and enemy of God. Therefore, he wouldn't knowing glorify God. Satan goes all out to try and make humans not glorify God. The Bible also says that Satan keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. Meaning that he pretends to be good in order to fool people into following his teachings rather than God's.

Re: Religious Question [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8625511
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Always a surprise. Satan can't outwit his Creator.

Re: Religious Question [Re: J Staton] #8625516
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Always a surprise. Satan can't outwit his Creator.


he just has to out wit us and that bar is pretty low. lol


-Goofy
Re: Religious Question [Re: silkyplainscoyot] #8625532
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Originally Posted by silkyplainscoyot
Originally Posted by waggler
On a side note; it's interesting that many people incorrectly give Lucifer God-like qualities.
Lucifer is not; all-knowing, nor ominipresent.


I think it's interesting that people think Lucifer is another name for Satan.

Satan is what he is, or his character, Lucifer is his name.
Sort of like "God", that is who He is, not His name. His name is Jehovah (or the various forms thereof).


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Re: Religious Question [Re: yotetrapper30] #8625536
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I think.... what God would consider evil........ initially......often leads to good.
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Such as

Re: Religious Question [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8625575
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Waggler, I'm familiar with God's personal name but Lucifer is not Satan's name. The Hebrew word that in some Bibles is translated “Lucifer” means shining one. The context shows that this term refers to the line of kings, of Babylon, which God would humiliate for its arrogance. The expression shining on was used to mock the Babylonian dynasty after it was overthrown.

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^^^^
My understanding after studying it a bit is they both are the same entity, satan primarily being the old Hebrew term, and Lucifer the more recent new testement term (or maybe I have this flipped around).
The older understanding of the nature of this fallen angel was a little different from one period to another, but the names/terms all apply to the same entity.


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