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Electrical Question #8627215
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I recently had a new metal roof put on my cabin. During the process a set of recessed lights inside quit working. The dimmer switch they were on was physically inoperable. It wouldn't push in at all. Almost like something had melted. I changed out the switch but couldn't get the lights to work. I tried wiring it several different ways but no luck. I finally called an electrician.

They sent out (2) apprentices to troubleshoot. Cost of $227 for 1 hour. They finally concluded thru continuity testing that a wire had probably been hit with a screw during the roof install. They said to find the exact spot they'd have to come back out for a level II troubleshooting. Cost of that is $418 for 2 hours. And they are supposed to bring a tool to trace the wires.

Wondering how others would go from here. Would you let them do the level II trouble shooting, and then get a couple estimates for the repair? Possibly buy the tool and trace the wires yourself? It's a total of (4) lights, being in pairs on each side of the room.

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Re: Electrical Question [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #8627223
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depends how your wires are ran and what a pain they are to get to and how easy or a pain it would be to run new

that sort of thing.

its not popping the breaker though?

Re: Electrical Question [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #8627232
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Even if they can locate the bad spot in the wire, you are either tearing off roof or ceiling to put in a junction box to splice the wires back together or pulling new wire, if that's easier/less expensive. You checked the breaker/fuse, right? How in the world did they not have this tool with them on the original troubleshoot? I'm the kind of fella that would figure it out myself, even if it cost me twice as much as hiring a pro. blush


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Re: Electrical Question [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #8627234
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Is this a cathedral ceiling with conventional high hat type lights ?
Dimmers go bad , did you replace dimmer switch with standard togal switch ?
Are these regular light bulbs or led ‘s —- excessive banging on roof could knock filaments in bulbs out .
It’s simple to diagnose with a meter , to see if there is a short in the wires going to , or between the lights .

Re: Electrical Question [Re: OhioBoy] #8627240
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To answer a few questions.

It's not tripping the breaker.
They are LED bulbs.
It's a pretty steep pitch.

Here's a pic. Not a great one, but you can see one of the lights in the background. My concern is the hickory paneling covering my ceiling. Even if I let the electricians finish the troubleshooting, I'm a little concerned about letting them mess with the interior of my house. I might try to find someone who does remodeling.

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Re: Electrical Question [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #8627242
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Id have to figure out how the wires were ran and or how hard it would be to pull the light out of the ceiling and to run a fish tape down to where the wire comes from. If thats easy to do you are in business. (electrician work, not remodeling work)

If you can't pull new wire with however they did your ceilings it could be ugly but I'm guessing they left you an out, it looks like a nice place.

I sure wouldn't be paying for 4 hours of troubleshooting. You got power at the switch? You got power out of the switch? You got power at the light? Thats the first thing to figure. I wouldn't like that it wasn't tripping my breaker.

Pulling one of the lights down and seeing if you can get it to come on in the garage would tell you a lot.

Im guessing you need to be an acrobat on a ladder to get to the lights? Hopefully it isn't that bad.

Re: Electrical Question [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #8627249
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Those lights with the slope ceiling kits , will come out from below ..
You should be able to pull the cans out as well , exposing the junction boxes at each light ..
Check for power and check all connections ..make sure you have the neutral as well …
If you have 120 volt leaving switch , then you should find it in one of the lights

They should be IC type high hats ( insulation clad ) , when they got hot , there was a thermal switch that internally shut them off ..
But only that specific light ( this is the old style high hats of older style )

Today we use can- less led fixtures , , different fixtures all together ,

Re: Electrical Question [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #8627256
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First of all I would, replace the dimmer switch, with an old fashioned switch . if your lights now work , you know , you had a bad dimmer switch. If there are lights , on two sides of the room , take down the light , closest to the switch likely the circuit splits at this light . see if you can determine , which side of room the problem is ..It is trial and error, till you find problem. Did , the lights quit working , immedietly after roof completed? The fact that , the breaker , doesnt trip , probably eliminates a screw,, in a wire. Dimmer switches and led bulbs , can be tempermental. Whether you do the trouble shooting, or hire it done, could take a bit of time. If you have a buddy , that is kind of handy, maybe he can help you. Good Luck . old 243

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