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Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635428
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Originally Posted by OhioBoy
Sorry to hear that PF. Good luck to you. Yes, I'm gambling some. This post isn't traditional. Its supposed to be thought provoking for someone that maybe didn't know some of this was going on. Maybe Im down a rabbit hole though. Its hard for me to tell sometimes. (this was supposed to be an open discussion for someone to debate with to prove me wrong.)

It seems they need buyers of US debt and that those interest rates are going up.

"Yields on U.S. government debt (Treasuries) have been pushing upward due to concerns over high budget deficits, inflation pressures, and surging global debt supply. For example, the 10-year Treasury yield is hovering over 4.4%, and recent auctions of long-term notes and bonds have drawn higher rates as the market demands more yield to absorb the massive volume of new borrowing."

"If you bought a $300,000 20-year bond at a 5% annual growth rate with all interest compounding, your total amount would grow to $795,989.31 under annual compounding, or $805,519.15 if using the standard semiannual compounding frequency typical of U.S. Treasury bonds."

"If you buy U.S. government debt right now, you will earn interest rates ranging from roughly 3.7% to 5.1%, depending on the type of security and its maturity date.The current interest rates (yields) for standard marketable U.S. Treasury securities are:Treasury Bills (Short-Term): Yields range from about 3.7% to 4.2% for maturities spanning 1 month to 1 year.Treasury Notes (Medium-Term): Yields sit between 4.2% and 4.6% for 2-year to 10-year notes.Treasury Bonds (Long-Term): 20-year and 30-year bonds are paying approximately 5.0% to 5.1%."

At one time this was considered the safest investment. Hopefully it still is and hopefully a guaranteed 5% is enough to help you in some way.

Im sure you've talked to a professional. Don't listen to anything on here. This strategy involves losing money here and there not constant growth. Speculation is probably exactly what its called but I like to think of it as strategic speculation... I haven't lost enough to learn my lesson yet where you may be in a situation that doesn't allow you to absorb those blows. Hope everything works out for you.


No i am self directed other than when I get a this may be something you want to look into from one man member. Typically that is a good suggestion and I never end up buying enough.

No mater what at some point investors will loose some money. Its just part of it.

Hysterically the most successful investor that het the most return Typically buy boring low cost index funds, dollar cost average and leave them alone for 30 years
Then ist accounts that have been forgot about for a few decades.

The trick is leaving it alone. When we watch it it gets hard to see all the red during a correction and people sell locking in losses. They dont buy back in if they ever do untill the market has recovered. Knowing the top and bottom geting the timing right is the hard part.

Some time I play with a volatile stock. Take MU for example it goes up and doen lately down to just under 900 and up to 11-1200. I have a buy order in for 945 and 900 for a few share . If I get them will sell at 1000 an 1045 or so. If I make a few hundred in a day or week cool. I can take that and buy a few more share of some dividend payer probably jepq, PM, or cnq, or exon. Then play my little game again. Its entertaining, but typically I would always be beter off if I just hold the stock. Take Amd I was doing the same thing with around or below 100 a share, or intell at 27 a share. Yep I made some small returns but would be way ahead had I just held them.

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635429
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Ok thanks.

"Assuming a simple interest setup where the 5% return is paid out annually and does not compound, your original $300,000 investment will earn $15,000 per year.After 20 years, you will have collected $300,000 in total interest, bringing your final total cash return to $600,000."

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635435
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Same PF. Same.

So we have all these stocks that are down now b/c everyone pulled their money out to buy spcx. the stocks that are down now b/c of that may be good long term holds. The "AI" stocks that fell that were stocks before the AI boom are kind of interesting. Thats why I bought GOOGL. Its an "AI that Fell" like nividia but its still google and maybe the ai fall made it go down a little too far, especially while people were selling to buy up spcx

Overall theory is to buy the dip. Is gold dipped? Is silver dipped? Is crypto dipped? Is GOOGL dipped? Are we at war? Is the petro dollar in trouble? Did China stop buying US debt? Are central banks around the world stacking gold? Is Japans bond market crashing? Is crypto buying up US debt? Is trump investing and supporting crypto? Is his family getting involved? Are they implementing legislation for crypto? Are companies like Visa talking about moving money with crypto?

When I sell a stock today, that stock will sell, and the money wont go into my account for me to buy another stock until Monday. "waiting for the money to clear / settle". If people start using crypto does that transaction start taking less than a second?

Anyway. Interesting times.

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635447
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Originally Posted by OhioBoy


When I sell a stock today, that stock will sell, and the money wont go into my account for me to buy another stock until Monday. "waiting for the money to clear / settle". If people start using crypto does that transaction start taking less than a second?

Anyway. Interesting times.


This sounds as if it may be a brokerage specific issue? Or perhaps the type of account you have set up?? I can sell a stock today and soon as it sells the money will be available for reinvestment in another stock if I choose.

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635448
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Oh maybe that was a bad example then. This stuff is all trading in a brokerage link account for me through fidelity. I rolled a 401k account into it and am trading pure stocks with it now instead of just having their 401k funds to chose.

(a rule they changed so people like us were able to do things like this.)

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635484
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Originally Posted by OhioBoy
Oh maybe that was a bad example then. This stuff is all trading in a brokerage link account for me through fidelity. I rolled a 401k account into it and am trading pure stocks with it now instead of just having their 401k funds to chose.

(a rule they changed so people like us were able to do things like this.)


Im in the years long process of rolling over everything into roth accounts. Last year meet with my tax lady and figured out where I was at after the 25 k ot not taxed, 30k married standard deduction , 2 child tax credits, and my farm deductions. I went fron well into the 22% tax bracket to prety far down in the 12%. So I moved 20 k out of my IRA into my roth and took the tax hit at 12%. I didnt miss it it just reduced the amount of the refund I was going to get. I plan on repeating this paying the taxes at a low rate untill everything is in roth.

But now that i have typed it out and think about it. It may not be necessary that was the plan before the ms stuff started getting this bad. Since I wont be earning and investing like I was and will stay in a low tax bracket i may not need to bother with it. But there is just something about not having bills over my head and that includes future tax bills.

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635500
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Seems like considering some farm losses / expenses would offset your income and lower your tax bill but I don't know your situation. Best of luck bud.

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635538
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