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Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635428
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Originally Posted by OhioBoy
Sorry to hear that PF. Good luck to you. Yes, I'm gambling some. This post isn't traditional. Its supposed to be thought provoking for someone that maybe didn't know some of this was going on. Maybe Im down a rabbit hole though. Its hard for me to tell sometimes. (this was supposed to be an open discussion for someone to debate with to prove me wrong.)

It seems they need buyers of US debt and that those interest rates are going up.

"Yields on U.S. government debt (Treasuries) have been pushing upward due to concerns over high budget deficits, inflation pressures, and surging global debt supply. For example, the 10-year Treasury yield is hovering over 4.4%, and recent auctions of long-term notes and bonds have drawn higher rates as the market demands more yield to absorb the massive volume of new borrowing."

"If you bought a $300,000 20-year bond at a 5% annual growth rate with all interest compounding, your total amount would grow to $795,989.31 under annual compounding, or $805,519.15 if using the standard semiannual compounding frequency typical of U.S. Treasury bonds."

"If you buy U.S. government debt right now, you will earn interest rates ranging from roughly 3.7% to 5.1%, depending on the type of security and its maturity date.The current interest rates (yields) for standard marketable U.S. Treasury securities are:Treasury Bills (Short-Term): Yields range from about 3.7% to 4.2% for maturities spanning 1 month to 1 year.Treasury Notes (Medium-Term): Yields sit between 4.2% and 4.6% for 2-year to 10-year notes.Treasury Bonds (Long-Term): 20-year and 30-year bonds are paying approximately 5.0% to 5.1%."

At one time this was considered the safest investment. Hopefully it still is and hopefully a guaranteed 5% is enough to help you in some way.

Im sure you've talked to a professional. Don't listen to anything on here. This strategy involves losing money here and there not constant growth. Speculation is probably exactly what its called but I like to think of it as strategic speculation... I haven't lost enough to learn my lesson yet where you may be in a situation that doesn't allow you to absorb those blows. Hope everything works out for you.


No i am self directed other than when I get a this may be something you want to look into from one man member. Typically that is a good suggestion and I never end up buying enough.

No mater what at some point investors will loose some money. Its just part of it.

Hysterically the most successful investor that het the most return Typically buy boring low cost index funds, dollar cost average and leave them alone for 30 years
Then ist accounts that have been forgot about for a few decades.

The trick is leaving it alone. When we watch it it gets hard to see all the red during a correction and people sell locking in losses. They dont buy back in if they ever do untill the market has recovered. Knowing the top and bottom geting the timing right is the hard part.

Some time I play with a volatile stock. Take MU for example it goes up and doen lately down to just under 900 and up to 11-1200. I have a buy order in for 945 and 900 for a few share . If I get them will sell at 1000 an 1045 or so. If I make a few hundred in a day or week cool. I can take that and buy a few more share of some dividend payer probably jepq, PM, or cnq, or exon. Then play my little game again. Its entertaining, but typically I would always be beter off if I just hold the stock. Take Amd I was doing the same thing with around or below 100 a share, or intell at 27 a share. Yep I made some small returns but would be way ahead had I just held them.

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635429
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Ok thanks.

"Assuming a simple interest setup where the 5% return is paid out annually and does not compound, your original $300,000 investment will earn $15,000 per year.After 20 years, you will have collected $300,000 in total interest, bringing your final total cash return to $600,000."

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635435
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Same PF. Same.

So we have all these stocks that are down now b/c everyone pulled their money out to buy spcx. the stocks that are down now b/c of that may be good long term holds. The "AI" stocks that fell that were stocks before the AI boom are kind of interesting. Thats why I bought GOOGL. Its an "AI that Fell" like nividia but its still google and maybe the ai fall made it go down a little too far, especially while people were selling to buy up spcx

Overall theory is to buy the dip. Is gold dipped? Is silver dipped? Is crypto dipped? Is GOOGL dipped? Are we at war? Is the petro dollar in trouble? Did China stop buying US debt? Are central banks around the world stacking gold? Is Japans bond market crashing? Is crypto buying up US debt? Is trump investing and supporting crypto? Is his family getting involved? Are they implementing legislation for crypto? Are companies like Visa talking about moving money with crypto?

When I sell a stock today, that stock will sell, and the money wont go into my account for me to buy another stock until Monday. "waiting for the money to clear / settle". If people start using crypto does that transaction start taking less than a second?

Anyway. Interesting times.

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635447
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Originally Posted by OhioBoy


When I sell a stock today, that stock will sell, and the money wont go into my account for me to buy another stock until Monday. "waiting for the money to clear / settle". If people start using crypto does that transaction start taking less than a second?

Anyway. Interesting times.


This sounds as if it may be a brokerage specific issue? Or perhaps the type of account you have set up?? I can sell a stock today and soon as it sells the money will be available for reinvestment in another stock if I choose.

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635448
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Oh maybe that was a bad example then. This stuff is all trading in a brokerage link account for me through fidelity. I rolled a 401k account into it and am trading pure stocks with it now instead of just having their 401k funds to chose.

(a rule they changed so people like us were able to do things like this.)

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635484
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Originally Posted by OhioBoy
Oh maybe that was a bad example then. This stuff is all trading in a brokerage link account for me through fidelity. I rolled a 401k account into it and am trading pure stocks with it now instead of just having their 401k funds to chose.

(a rule they changed so people like us were able to do things like this.)


Im in the years long process of rolling over everything into roth accounts. Last year meet with my tax lady and figured out where I was at after the 25 k ot not taxed, 30k married standard deduction , 2 child tax credits, and my farm deductions. I went fron well into the 22% tax bracket to prety far down in the 12%. So I moved 20 k out of my IRA into my roth and took the tax hit at 12%. I didnt miss it it just reduced the amount of the refund I was going to get. I plan on repeating this paying the taxes at a low rate untill everything is in roth.

But now that i have typed it out and think about it. It may not be necessary that was the plan before the ms stuff started getting this bad. Since I wont be earning and investing like I was and will stay in a low tax bracket i may not need to bother with it. But there is just something about not having bills over my head and that includes future tax bills.

Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635500
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Seems like considering some farm losses / expenses would offset your income and lower your tax bill but I don't know your situation. Best of luck bud.

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Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: danny clifton] #8635543
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Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: danny clifton] #8635547
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I suppose as long as people/institutions/governments remain willing to buy the debt.

I don't know how in the world the President thinks he will be able to avoid rate hikes with that level of spending, though.

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Trump also just asked for an additional 11 billion in farm payments to offset high fuel and fertilizer costs since the Iran war. If approved it will make about $55.4 billion in direct payments this year.


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Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635559
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So they are saying the jobs report coming back at 57k instead of 110k comes into play so inflation isn't as bad as we think and that they may actually keep or lower interest rates... its sketch but thats what some people are saying.

kinda why gold took a hit. Warsh came out and said we may raise rates. Will we? Hows the job number effect that? I guess my summary is gold will either go up or down again. if it goes down again I'll buy some more. thats my current thinking.

sure seems to be alot of term oil around the world. seems like gold is typically a safe haven for such times. Looming interest rates maybe going higher though seem to be holding the price down b/c that typically lowers gold.

Anyway thats what I have been watching has been saying. I wonder why warsh isn't contributing to the dot pot, isnt doing forecasts anymore, and what happens when all that changes at once with everything thats going on? Beats me.

Not knowing anything if gold and silver was going to drop it seems like it sure had some good excuses to do so this week and it did drop but not significantly like it may be trying to go up...

Again China sees all of this and is buying buying buying gold. Stopped buying us dept (which allows us to spend more than we make) but oh yeah crypto is buying that debt now. Weird.

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Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635564
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Originally Posted by OhioBoy

Anyway thats what I have been watching has been saying. I wonder why warsh isn't contributing to the dot pot, isnt doing forecasts anymore, and what happens when all that changes at once with everything thats going on? Beats me.


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Kevin Warsh presides over his first Federal Open Market Committee meeting as Federal Reserve chairman this week, and his eventual reform list is long. Reduce the balance sheet, review the Keynesian bias in its economic models, keep the Fed out of fiscal policy, and more. But his first priority, and an important one, is likely to be overhauling the way the Fed communicates.

Few innovations since 2008 have been as counterproductive as the adoption of “forward guidance” as a policy tool. Fed officials came to believe that by giving investors a heads-up on the central bank’s intentions for short-term interest rates, it can steer longer-term rates and the economy as well.

But the constant yammering—long policy statements, press conferences after every FOMC meeting, nonstop speeches by Fed officials and above all the quarterly Summary of Economic Projections—has exposed how little the Fed understands about the economy and trapped officials in errant policies.

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It’s hard to remember when the Fed wasn’t this talkative. Yet until the 1990s the central bank cultivated an air of inscrutability. Officials didn’t even release announcements when they adjusted their overnight policy interest rate. The Fed played down its periodic publication of limited economic forecasts, which investors generally ignored.

Officials gradually started publishing statements of policy decisions after 1994. A fuller explanation of the FOMC’s reasoning arrived under Alan Greenspan in 1999, when officials began explaining what came to be known as the “balance of risks”—whether they thought tightening or easing was likely to be more appropriate in the future.

The oversharing went into overdrive after 2008. After cutting rates to near zero and ramping up quantitative easing, Ben Bernanke lit on communication as a policy tool in its own right.

Mr. Bernanke was eager to persuade investors that he’d keep rates low for an extended period. Hence the adoption of an explicit 2% inflation target in 2012, to reassure investors that the Fed wouldn’t tighten if inflation was below that level. In late 2007 the Fed had published the first iteration of what would eventually become the quarterly projections. The infamous “dot plots” depicting FOMC officials’ anonymous guesses about future interest-rate moves appeared in early 2012.

In 2011 Mr. Bernanke began holding press conferences after some FOMC meetings, and the gabfests became a fixture after every meeting in 2019 under Jerome Powell. Along the way, Fed officials began delivering more and more speeches between meetings. Investors and journalists scrutinize these orations for clues about future policies.

This has been good for journalists but not for the Fed. Its quarterly projections are notorious for predictions about GDP growth, unemployment and inflation that turn out to be wrong.

The Fed’s sages badly overestimated economic growth in 2011 and 2012, predicting about 3% in December of the previous years when the economy grew only 1.5%. But then it underestimated growth in 2017 and 2019 as it failed to appreciate the impact of the Trump tax reform. Its greatest recent mistake was underestimating inflation in 2021 and 2022 by a factor of about three. (Hat tip to our contributor Mickey Levy for the numbers.)

And because forward guidance encourages investors to react to what the Fed will do rather than sending market signals about economic conditions, officials mute a source of information that could inform policy-making.

One reason Mr. Powell was so slow to respond to accelerating inflation after the pandemic was that the Fed previously had committed to lower-for-longer interest rates. He reinforced this in August 2020 when the Fed promised to tolerate above-2% inflation to make up for periods of slower price rises.

A fear of spooking markets with unanticipated rate hikes deterred rapid action to fight inflation. Forward-guiding Fed officials kept calling inflation “transitory,” a word that will haunt the Fed for years.

Forward guidance also drags the Fed into politics since officials find it hard to resist opining on fiscal and other debates to explain their monetary views. Mr. Warsh may not be able to deter other Fed Governors from popping off in speeches. But he could set an example by ending the “dot plot” era, limiting his press conferences, and focusing his public statements on major policy turns and the semi-annual Humphrey-Hawkins testimony to Congress.

Mr. Warsh has said he welcomes debate over monetary policy, and that’s to his credit. But forward guidance has been a mistake, and a cacophony of Fed voices has confused markets and been harmful to the Fed’s credibility and independence. A course correction is overdue.


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Re: Lets get rich. Responsibily. [Re: OhioBoy] #8635581
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Right. So are we way better off than we were or worse off? Do we know yet? Fed left interest rates where they were last meeting so it must not be awful and said they may go up in the future. Then a week later at a conference he said they may not need to b/c that job report came out.

Not to mention he is a crypto guy right... I wonder if he thinks were better off or worse off than we have been thinking and what or how he thinks crypto may play into it if he thinks its bad off which he would believe crypto would make it better somehow (appears to be their plan) whatever their plan is if thats what they got brewing or not.

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Originally Posted by OhioBoy
Right. So are we way better off than we were or worse off? Do we know yet? Fed left interest rates where they were last meeting so it must not be awful and said they may go up in the future. Then a week later at a conference he said they may not need to b/c that job report came out.

Not to mention he is a crypto guy right... I wonder if he thinks were better off or worse off than we have been thinking and what or how he thinks crypto may play into it if he thinks its bad off which he would believe crypto would make it better somehow (appears to be their plan) whatever their plan is if thats what they got brewing or not.


Huh? What appears to be whose plan?

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