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Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8653478
08/26/26 12:59 PM
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Entitled = (Majority of the Voters) = dictate policy

Last edited by Boco; 08/26/26 01:02 PM.

Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8653520
08/26/26 02:27 PM
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I agree with sp. Of you aren't feeling it you're lucky. My lifestyle hasn't changed much but it's changed. Thankfully I'm not raising a young family.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8653735
08/29/26 11:52 AM
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"Concerning Fiscal Math
CBO?s latest outlook shows a deficit of about $1.9 trillion in 2026 and publicly held debt rising to about 120 percent of GDP by 2036, a level that would have been treated as a national emergency in prior eras. The story underneath is even more disturbing. Mandatory spending and compounding interest costs drive the long-run trajectory while Congress repeatedly turns budgeting into a cliffhanger, manufacturing shutdown threats and continuing resolutions over a shrinking slice of the budget. By 2036, discretionary spending will make up less than 20 percent of total federal outlays, yet it will likely still dominate the public drama.

That mismatch is the reason why the appropriations process, which determines discretionary spending, feels like constant crisis without producing long-run control. Net interest costs are projected to surge from roughly $1.0 trillion in 2026 to roughly $2.1 trillion by 2036, rising as a share of the economy from 3.3 percent of GDP to 4.6 percent. Those numbers matter because they describe a government that is steadily losing fiscal room to maneuver. When interest becomes one of the fastest-growing items in the budget, policy choices start to narrow even before anyone votes for austerity.

Despite these warnings, Congress continues to spend a disproportionate amount of time and political energy on annual appropriations brinkmanship. Shutdown threats dominate coverage, agencies plan around continuing resolutions, and the public is told the budget fight is underway, as if the main drivers of long-run debt are being tackled. They are not. The annual appropriations brawl is increasingly a fight over a smaller component, while the larger forces keep moving in the background.

If this sounds severe, it is because the situation is severe. A country that runs trillion-dollar deficits in ordinary times and watches debt climb toward historic peaks is not choosing a stable future. The real danger is that deterioration can feel manageable for a time until it suddenly is not. If interest rates rise higher than projected, or growth becomes weaker than expected, the debt math worsens quickly. The margin for error shrinks as interest costs rise. The risk is not merely higher debt in the abstract. The risk is reduced capacity to respond to recession, to fund defense and preparedness, and to protect vulnerable households when policy flexibility is most needed."


In the 70's discretionary spending was over half the budget. Discretionary spending is money spent on services ( actually building stuff and providing services or doing stupid stuff) the government provides. Interest provides no service and most mandatory spending is wealth transfer.


Who is John Galt?
Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8653836
08/29/26 04:03 PM
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A common theme in empires that had a debt backed currency


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8654068
08/30/26 12:07 AM
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Current UE is about 4%, last quarter GDP growth about 1.56%, current inflation is about 3.3-3.5%, current debt increase rate is 6%, Those numbers all seem small, they seem simple, but we don't seem to be able to or want to work on a fix.

Bryce

Re: 40 trillion [Re: Dirt] #8654072
08/30/26 12:41 AM
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We have no identity or common interest anymore

The labor hates the management and their grievances are justified in some situations

The lazy and dumb are content to live off subsidies with no desire to better themselves at the taxpayers expense

Tax dollars are being sent to foreign countries while our infrastructure crumbles in the name of globalization and holy wars

We had the chance to be the next Greece or Rome with some lessons learned from their collapse

But we blew the opportunity

Oh well, football season is starting so all will be well

Re: 40 trillion [Re: ColdspringKidd] #8654075
08/30/26 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdspringKidd


The labor hates the management and their grievances are justified in some situations



In some situations I am sure you are right. But, having worked crappy jobs most of my life, I have found that 99% of the time, the ones that complain the most about management are the ones that do the absolute LEAST work....


Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton
Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8654098
08/30/26 04:33 AM
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Copy/paste


John Maynard Keynes lived as a quintessential elitist who despised the very people his theories claimed to help. While you hear endless praise for his "compassionate" economics, the man himself viewed workers and savers with open contempt, calling them irrational actors who needed enlightened technocrats to manage their affairs.

The Cambridge don made his fortune speculating in currencies and commodities while simultaneously advocating for government controls that would eliminate such opportunities for ordinary people. He lost his shirt in 1928, then again in 1929, proving himself a mediocre investor despite his theoretical "brilliance". His personal financial disasters never dimmed his confidence that he could engineer prosperity for entire nations.

Keynes openly admitted his theories served political expediency rather than economic truth. In a 1944 letter to Friedrich Hayek, he wrote that he expected his ideas to be temporary measures, lasting perhaps 25 years before sounder thinking would prevail. He never intended his deficit spending prescriptions to become permanent doctrine.

The man who gave intellectual cover to every government's spending addiction actually agreed with free market economists on the long run. He simply believed political reality made sound economics impossible. His famous quip "in the long run we are all dead" was political cynicism: politicians need solutions that work before the next election, consequences be (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman).

You celebrate Keynes as the savior of capitalism, but he designed his system to give politicians exactly what they wanted: intellectual permission to spend money they didn't have on programs that bought votes. He knew this would end badly. He just figured someone else would clean up the mess after he died.

Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8654152
08/30/26 09:51 AM
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Who celebrates Keynes as the savior of capitalism? confused Nobody who runs perpetual deficits is even following Keynes.


Who is John Galt?
Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8654223
08/30/26 01:34 PM
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Keynes the savior of capitalism? That's funny......


Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton
Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8654655
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Here's a statement from Bessent this morning.

I find it rather less than encouraging.

"My job is to make sure that the market is looking at fundamentals and that the market does not dictate policy," Bessent said. "Hedge fund managers like to speed things up. Mine is to slow things down."


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Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8654667
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Perfect!

More of the same.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8654734
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Liberals/democratic socialists tend to view Keynes as a savior of capitalism,,,,



Didn?t mean to speak over anyone

Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8654737
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^^^^ just don?t let it happen again

You understand me ?

Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8654748
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Myself, I?m in the Mises/Austrian/hard money camp

When ever someone speaks of entitlement,(a lot of that going on in Canada currently,,,) huge continual deficits,, ,,,,Bessent interveneing in the market/markets,,,

My mind goes straight Keynesian type thinking,,,

Don?t understand it,,,,, the Keynesian thinking

But it?s unfortunately the world we live in

And debt is only going to rapidly increase

Carry on

Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8654780
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Nothing to see here folks.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8654972
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Whats going on with the petro dollar?
Whats going on with the carry trade?
What going on with the Yen?
Whats happening to Japans economy and what is the US doing to help?
Whats going on in the bond market?
How does rising interest rates effect our debt / interest payment?
How are our oil reserves doing?
What type of oil is from Venezuela and how does it help produce diesel fuel?
What is the forecast for diesel fuel?
Is the straight open?
What is the latest laws they changed for crypto, why are they changing, and should we be part of it?
What is a fiat currency and how often does it change and is the US likely to change again anytime soon?
Are central banks buying gold? How much and at what levels?
Is silver used to manufacture anything? How much do we have available?
Are we winning the war with Iran?
Whats going on with the war in Ukraine?
What is our level of inventory of patriot missiles and such?
What countries are implementing a draft? Why?
How much money does the US plan to print and what does that do to inflation?
What are the jobs market numbers?
What is the unemployment rate?
What are the manufacturing output of the factories in the country?
Whats China up to?
Whats Putin up to?
What are they getting away with b/c our ships were moved to the straight?
How long have ships been in the straight and what problems have the sailors encountered?
Are those ships being relieved by other ships? Where did they come from what were they doing orig?

Interesting times.


Re: 40 trillion [Re: OhioBoy] #8654978
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Originally Posted by OhioBoy
Whats going on with the petro dollar?
Whats going on with the carry trade?
What going on with the Yen?
Whats happening to Japans economy and what is the US doing to help?
Whats going on in the bond market?
How does rising interest rates effect our debt / interest payment?
How are our oil reserves doing?
What type of oil is from Venezuela and how does it help produce diesel fuel?
What is the forecast for diesel fuel?
Is the straight open?
What is the latest laws they changed for crypto, why are they changing, and should we be part of it?
What is a fiat currency and how often does it change and is the US likely to change again anytime soon?
Are central banks buying gold? How much and at what levels?
Is silver used to manufacture anything? How much do we have available?
Are we winning the war with Iran?
Whats going on with the war in Ukraine?
What is our level of inventory of patriot missiles and such?
What countries are implementing a draft? Why?
How much money does the US plan to print and what does that do to inflation?
What are the jobs market numbers?
What is the unemployment rate?
What are the manufacturing output of the factories in the country?
Whats China up to?
Whats Putin up to?
What are they getting away with b/c our ships were moved to the straight?
How long have ships been in the straight and what problems have the sailors encountered?
Are those ships being relieved by other ships? Where did they come from what were they doing orig?

Interesting times.


it's greasy.
it left.
sinking.
tanking. nothing.
rising.
hurts it.
needs refilled.
better than not having it. refineries produce diesel.
better.
strait? yes.
no crypto laws passed. haven't changed yet. not in my opinion.
fake money. as often as needed. no, devaluation is the agenda.
they have enough. none. none.
yes. we have what we need.
yes.
stalemate.
could use a few more.
quite a few.
sky's the limit. raises the rate.
more working than ever.
somewhere around 5 percent.
gaining ground every day.
no good.
no good.
no more than usual.
since before hostilities started. the same conditions/issues that warriors always face.
some are. previous deployments. their jobs.


anything else you need to know?

Re: 40 trillion [Re: Steven 49er] #8654979
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lol

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