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Re: Data centers?
[Re: jeff karsten]
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Yesterday at 10:21 AM
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If there was no need to track everything in a persons life there would be no need for data centers and yes like wind or solar farms everyone wants them because it is written it will lower your cost of living but no one wants them next to them the improvements i see are press 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or more and then press 1,2,3,4,5,and then get transferred to i'm away from my desk or assisting someone else Please give me the joy of having an oil pump squeaking away with a non-stop flare and sulfur smell 24-7 in my back yard. I guess having it all in the mid east out of sight and out of mind is best. Until it starts raining $200 oil from heaven, lol.
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: danny clifton]
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Yesterday at 10:31 AM
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I am going to haul rock today into the 5th data center I have worked on. None of them more than 75 miles from any of the others. Good or bad it's happening. I wonder if we are headed back to the type of government people had in the middle ages. A small group of royals determining every aspect of the commoners life. Burdensome tax's, rampant poverty, very little self determination. I hope someone can convince me that the things won't be used to track every aspect of a persons life and enable a society that resembles Orwell's book 1984. If AI is just so government can monitor and control humans....why is it that private enterprise is spending 500 billion to build the system instead of government paying for it?
Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: Foxpaw]
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Yesterday at 10:34 AM
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Its better to just lose a couple worthless fellows than the whole ship. Unless you or I are one of the worthless fellows, lol ! Yup! I think that's the idea. The problem is that our next destination is Thrinakia where the cattle are off limits. Like you said... "You will owning nothing and be happy". This is what it's all about. You will have nothing and be happy, and if you have 2 portions of duty free rice each day you will be ecstatic ! But be careful trying to sneak that 3rd portion because big brother is watching you.
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: danny clifton]
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Yesterday at 10:56 AM
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“The increasing demand for data storage and processing capacities, especially for intensive computational tasks such as AI development and deployment, has led to construction and operation of "hyperscale data centers" notable for their size.7 According to industry analysts, to be considered a hyperscale data center, a facility should contain at least 5,000 computer servers and a large scale of network equipment and occupy at least 10,000 square feet of physical space, with an electric power rating, sometimes referred to as power draw, exceeding 100 megawatts (MW; one megawatt is equal to 1 million watts).8 Roughly 100 MW of electric power is sufficient to support the electricity needs of 80,000 U.S. households.”
The power use is real and is and will be subsidized by the Federal government just like everybody else who is connected to the grid.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: danny clifton]
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Yesterday at 11:19 AM
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“Power demand is increasing faster than legacy grids can support. Physical risks are elevated and growing. Resilience planning and investment can expand the grid, reduce outage frequency and duration and optimize for affordability and economic growth. This complex issue presents both a growing threat and opportunity, demanding attention from companies and governments across the globe. “
Jp Morgan
New crises.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: danny clifton]
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Yesterday at 11:53 AM
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Im sure AI has uses other than surveillance. Tnat does not mean it wont be used to control folks.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: danny clifton]
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Yesterday at 11:56 AM
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Google Amercan Community survey. Disguised as part of the census. Ask yourself why big brother wants the answers to those questions.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: spjones]
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Yesterday at 11:59 AM
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Data centers aren’t required to be on the “grid”
In the future,,less and less will be on the grid
Like everything
There will be winners and losers Maybe AI can solve their power supply problem? 
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: danny clifton]
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Yesterday at 12:22 PM
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How much water usage do they require?
I've heard them say we'd have to double our electricity output.
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: Dirt]
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Data centers aren’t required to be on the “grid”
In the future,,less and less will be on the grid
Like everything
There will be winners and losers Maybe AI can solve their power supply problem?  You mean like small modular nuclear plants? Like the ones they’ve been putting on boats since the mid 50’s?
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: danny clifton]
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Yesterday at 01:27 PM
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Im sure AI has uses other than surveillance. Tnat does not mean it wont be used to control folks. People will be controlled as much as they allow themselves to be. Anyone that has or uses a cell phone can tracked by the government. It's still possible to live off grid...no phone....no cards..... but is getting increasingly harder due to things like intersection cams. Will info on people collected by the government be stored in data centers?? Of course. BUT it already HAS been since at least 2000 and probably earlier than that. This is nothing new..........
Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: hippie]
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Yesterday at 01:28 PM
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How much water usage do they require?
I've heard them say we'd have to double our electricity output. Older centers... a lot. But new ones not much at all.......new builds use recirculating water systems.
Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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Yesterday at 01:53 PM
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How much water usage do they require?
I've heard them say we'd have to double our electricity output. Older centers... a lot. But new ones not much at all.......new builds use recirculating water systems. I'll say!! Here's about a year old research paper done by Penn State I found since I got to wondering about water usage. https://extension.psu.edu/data-centers-and-water-use-in-pennsylvaniaBetter build them things on a barge out in the ocean at this rate of usage!
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: white17]
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Yesterday at 02:28 PM
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Get outta here with your facts. No one wants to hear that, lol. Data centers BAD. But it's quite the conundrum for the MAGA crowd.........
Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: danny clifton]
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Yesterday at 02:44 PM
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Google Amercan Community survey. Disguised as part of the census. Ask yourself why big brother wants the answers to those questions. Hey, I got sent that a few months ago. It said I'm required by law to fill it out. Extremely detailed questions about work/life/etc habits. It went through the entire list of questions for everyone in our house. The first time through the list of questions (asking about me) I sorta thought about the questions and provided answers I thought were a suitable level of disclosure. The second and third time through (same questions but for my wife & daughter), it quickly became a race. Big brother says I'm required by law to answer and if I don't they'll follow up... ok, I can work with that. click click click. How many clicks do you want? Do you prefer random? Maybe we should do patterns in the answers? I like palendromes. How about this sequence of answers: a, b, b, c, c, c, a, a, a, a, b, b, b, c, c, a.
-Joe
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: danny clifton]
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Yesterday at 03:57 PM
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danny clifton
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I threw mine away. Twice. No repercussions.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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