You asked a question. Have you ever designed a transmission, distribution, line, or a substation, or modeled a electric utility distribution network? Have you ever lived off the grid. Much of Alaska is off the Alaska grid and Alaska is off the North America grid. IMHO data centers are putting the cart before the horse. This is going to be problematic. They certainly would benefit from supplying thier own power, however the cost won’t come cheap and supply will be delayed.

A fellow engineer

What question did I ask? Other than the hard asset question

I’ve lived off grid most of my adult life,,,, in Alaska,in Mongolia,in British Columbia,in Argentina

The US has 1% of all uranium in the world, mining is the ?

Nuclear warhead's have uranium in them, and we have a few warhead's
It would need to be reprocessed for power plants
So we have the material

I think we are facing bigger problems in this country than AI data centers and the government watching us.

Ya don't say?

And Kidd...... quit posting pics of burgers unless you intend to come here right now and cook me one.......lol.

It needed "paused" for states/counties/ townships to get ordinances in place.

You're going to get the people in the AI cult upset
And it is a cult at this point

Almost 300 billion invested last year, and they only got back 20 billion
And that wasn't profit, that's all that came back into those 2 companies
Open AI and Anthropic are both a scam
IMO

TX Burger is the best though

… I’ll ride 50 miles out of the way to get one

Looks like a 1/8th pound burger. Culver’s style. If it doesn’t have a 1/3 pound of meat on it, it’s not a burger.

…. They’re a fairly good size

Those onion rings looks good.

... this thread has gone from data center debates to mullets and burgers?

... carry on

Keith

Big Tech Is Soft-Launching Data Centers Early, Bracing for Scrutiny

By Clara Hudson

Google has a message for New Mexico’s Lea County, an area of arid pastureland in the oil-rich Permian Basin, that the company is eyeing as a possible home for a new data center: “We’re listening.”

The technology company reached out to the community via a website, saying its plans are still in the very early stages, but such projects “naturally bring questions about how data centers operate.” It then tried to answer those queries pre-emptively, assuring the approximately 75,000 residents, for example, that it expects its data center would consume water at a similar rate to an office building. A survey asks what additional investment the area might need.

Locals set up a Facebook page within days to organize opposition, and the group now has about 400 followers. With a commission vote on the data center scheduled for November, many residents feel taken aback by how quickly they are expected to grapple with the plans, said Clayburn Griffin, who started the group with neighbors.

Griffin said the call for feedback feels disingenuous. “We’re feeding them information on how to sell their data center to us,” he said.

Americans are growing more concerned about data centers, with more than half thinking they mostly hurt the environment, according to a September report from Pew Research Center.

Hyperscalers, or large tech companies that operate vast networks of computing infrastructure, say they want to be increasingly transparent, getting construction plans out in the open sooner in the hopes of heading off opposition. But answering local queries and frustrations is getting trickier as resistance picks up, with government officials and residents expressing worries about everything from electricity prices to water waste.

A Google spokesperson said its call for public feedback isn’t hollow, and it wants to ensure it can tailor its approach to help the specific needs of the community. The spokesperson said it is following a meeting schedule set by the county.

The promise of a more forthright approach means some public debates are starting much earlier now. Amazon.com AMZN 0.35%increase; up pointing triangle, for example, recently said it would no longer use nondisclosure agreements with local officials on its data center plans. Meanwhile, opposition to data centers is picking up ahead of the midterm elections.

“We share information about our plans as early as possible, listen to concerns, and ensure communities have the facts and the ability to engage with us as projects progress,” said Matt Garman, chief executive of Amazon Web Services, in a blog post. Amazon declined to comment further for this piece.

Hitting the right tone on data centers remains an uphill battle as lawmakers increasingly halt approvals: Hundreds of construction moratoriums have been introduced this year. Democratic lawmakers in New Mexico—where Google is eyeing a data center site in Lea County—also say they want to propose a moratorium in the state.

Some companies are scrapping data center plans amid pushback. In the first quarter of this year, local resistance disrupted at least 75 projects worth about $130 billion, according to research firm Data Center Watch.

“There is a fundamental storytelling problem here,” said Stuart McLaughlin, head of advocacy at Google.org, Google’s philanthropic arm, speaking at an event in Manhattan last month. “[We] all need to get way better at telling this story.”

Data center operators are holding open houses, inviting residents to air their frustrations—and hoping they come away appeased. They are also offering communities millions in local investments such as free community college and energy efficiency upgrades, and in some cases, pledging to give residents checks if data centers are built.

A Google spokesperson said announcing data center plans earlier does invite more risk, but the alternative would be losing public trust.

Activists opposing data centers say promises to make big community investments and other moves like this show hyperscalers have lost control of the narrative. “Their PR moves have been faceplant after faceplant,” said Mitch Jones, managing director of policy and litigation at nonprofit Food & Water Watch. “They’re not gaining any ground, and they’re growing desperate.”

Aside from attempts to calm and entice locals, Amazon took a harder-line approach earlier this month, warning the public that the moratoriums could be harmful. In a memo, the company asserted that “the U.S. could be writing its own losing ticket” if the construction bans go forward, saying data centers are needed for schools, hospitals and even satellite operations.

Companies are also jostling to demonstrate that their data centers are less resource-intensive than their competitors. Amazon, for example, published a blog post stating its data centers use air rather than water to cool off electrical equipment about 90% of the time.

In Lea County, local commissioner Tyson Pierce, who is also a rancher and owns an oil-field services business, said the talks with Google are going well, but he’s still eager to get more specifics on power and water demands—a particular concern for a community on dry, sunbaked pasturelands.

Pierce said he has also been calling some residents personally to explain why he thinks the deal could benefit the county.

“If you sign this deal and they come in, you get one shot to get it right,” said Pierce. “So make sure you have all your ducks in a row, and get them to do as much as you can upfront.”

Food & Water Watch

Just google this bunch and see what they're all about. That's all you need to know

Looks like a darn left leaning socialist, reinvented climate change/tree hunging group to me. Emphasis on socialist.

I have a nephew that is a literal genius. He has a cyber security business that he has owned for quite awhile. Has done work for the FBI. Says they don't pay enough so no longer has a contract with them. Made enough money at 18 to buy a new BMW without a loan. I believe him when it comes to anything computer.

He recently told me AI is a big deal for this country and fears that the Chinese could get ahead of it are a real threat. Was saying they can build closed system cooling so that water is not a big deal. Electricity needs are being addressed also. Said AI will run everything from street lights to water purification plants. He is convinced it is a good thing.

What I know about computers can be written on a postage stamp in big letters. I believe him though.

I think yote told u the same thing.