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Question on leasing land #8623832
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ok my son and i leased 127 acres to hunt ect: in march, we had a signed contract with him and his present wife; he passed away last week and his kids and grandkids called and told us to stay out ! and will give us are money back, we have invested in clearing and planting food plot and mowing and they are kicking us out ! not sure if they can do that? we payed for 2 years! i am going to talk to wife later on.


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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8623838
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What does thd lease say?
Was it drawn up on the back of a napkin or is it well written? It should be binding on heirs and assigns.


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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8623840
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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: waggler] #8623841
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Originally Posted by waggler
What does thd lease say?
Was it drawn up on the back of a napkin or is it well written? It should be binding on heirs and assigns.

well written


50 + years of trapping & some fur buying and i still know nothing.
Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8623845
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although you can likely force them to honor the lease, if they want you gone they can be on the property constantly, driving away the deer while they keep your money.

I'd suggest you not just focus on what they can legally do, but also if they are likely to make what you paid for worthless. Getting the money back might be the least bad option.


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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8623849
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Originally Posted by someGuyInKansas
although you can likely force them to honor the lease, if they want you gone they can be on the property constantly, driving away the deer while they keep your money.

I'd suggest you not just focus on what they can legally do, but also if they are likely to make what you paid for worthless. Getting the money back might be the least bad option.

This^^^^

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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8623876
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As much as it may suck, you put time and money into something that you’d have had to give up or renegotiate in 2 years. Chance you could win the battle over the term of the lease, but they’re gonna win the war regardless. Perhaps have another conversation with them to see if there’s any chance to resolve, but get your money back and split if they won’t be reasonable. Might even leave a good impression with them if you circle back later.

Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8623884
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If they won't budge then I'd just take my money back and move on.

Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8623897
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They're there, you're not, you can't win....even if you win....Talk to the wife but she'll probably side with the kids, if nothing more than to keep the peace.....Figure what your costs were to fix up what you did, plus initial cost of lease, there's enough of them to pay the price if they all want you gone....sounds like they didn't get along with the old man, or are too cheap to help him out if he needed the lease money...Sorry, but you may have dodged a bullet. Good luck.

Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8623916
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Like the rest said, take the money they owe you and try to negotiate your losses on food plots. Get all you can and walk.


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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8623942
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Do they live locally? They may just want to sell it, maybe they just want to lease it for more than you paid? I believe here you can have the lease recorded with the county and it would go on the deed for the duration of the lease.

I'm not sure ide walk away from the lease...maybe it's a good time to offer to buy the property if you can afford it.


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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8623947
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Do they live locally? They may just want to sell it, maybe they just want to lease it for more than you paid? I believe here you can have the lease recorded with the county and it would go on the deed for the duration of the lease.

I'm not sure ide walk away from the lease...maybe it's a good time to offer to buy the property if you can afford it.

Good point!! Don't want to burn any bridges in what ever direction you go.


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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8623974
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As above, cut your losses and move on. Sometimes you’re the statue, sometimes the bird. Their reputation will be tarnished, not yours.

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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8623975
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he passed away last week and his kids and grandkids called and told us to stay out

First of all, emotions are running in overdrive right now considering he just passed away. I would cautiously hit the pause button and give reasonable amount of time.

signed contract with him and his present wife I forgot the legal term, but the contract defaults to solely the wife having survivorship. The kids or grandkids do not have a legal say in anything with direct communication to you. Obviously they will plead their case to the wife and family usually trumps outsiders.

I have AG leases on my property, so not exactly the same but over-all same concept. Neighbor leases X amount of land, he carries the cost for prep and maintenance. Because of fertilizing and erosion control plans, we have agreed to a 1 year notice for non-renewal. Many people don't look at that, but it protects him and me in the event either of us don't want to proceed with a lease extension

I would take a friendly approach to the wife. Sending card/flowers to the funeral and making a very NON-defensive but sincere condolences to the wife/family. Then follow up later with wanting to touch base with her on the lease and terms, maybe asking about her views for the long term. Legally, you own the right and will win the battle, but will lose the war. Do you have the two years or only 1 remaining?? Possibly discuss a buy out on the lease if they are head strong on kicking you out that would include time and expenses of your investment?

If the end result is you getting kick out before the lease is up, you have the right to sue her for breach of contract and recover ALL your costs and possibly the difference of the increased cost to secure a different lease. Additionally, you have legal rights as part of that lease. If the kids/grandkids prohibit you from utilizing the land as part of the original intent of the lease, they are liable for harassment and it falls under a breech of contract.

It can get ugly fast, but if your getting kicked out there is no need to be nice. Sue them for every penny you can recover. Its not like they'll invite you back at a later time


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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8623994
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Yep time to move on. Life's too short.


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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: Randy Wieland] #8623997
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Originally Posted by Randy Wieland
he passed away last week and his kids and grandkids called and told us to stay out

First of all, emotions are running in overdrive right now considering he just passed away. I would cautiously hit the pause button and give reasonable amount of time.

signed contract with him and his present wife I forgot the legal term, but the contract defaults to solely the wife having survivorship. The kids or grandkids do not have a legal say in anything with direct communication to you. Obviously they will plead their case to the wife and family usually trumps outsiders.

I have AG leases on my property, so not exactly the same but over-all same concept. Neighbor leases X amount of land, he carries the cost for prep and maintenance. Because of fertilizing and erosion control plans, we have agreed to a 1 year notice for non-renewal. Many people don't look at that, but it protects him and me in the event either of us don't want to proceed with a lease extension

I would take a friendly approach to the wife. Sending card/flowers to the funeral and making a very NON-defensive but sincere condolences to the wife/family. Then follow up later with wanting to touch base with her on the lease and terms, maybe asking about her views for the long term. Legally, you own the right and will win the battle, but will lose the war. Do you have the two years or only 1 remaining?? Possibly discuss a buy out on the lease if they are head strong on kicking you out that would include time and expenses of your investment?

If the end result is you getting kick out before the lease is up, you have the right to sue her for breach of contract and recover ALL your costs and possibly the difference of the increased cost to secure a different lease. Additionally, you have legal rights as part of that lease. If the kids/grandkids prohibit you from utilizing the land as part of the original intent of the lease, they are liable for harassment and it falls under a breech of contract.

It can get ugly fast, but if your getting kicked out there is no need to be nice. Sue them for every penny you can recover. Its not like they'll invite you back at a later time


This is pretty good advice. If you decide you want to remain on the lease and the family is giving you problems, my suggestion would be to consult with a local attorney who specializes in real estate matters.

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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8624018
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I think I would talk with a lawyer then the wife. Best case get your money back for the lease inputs and tome and move on. Its like traping under a bridge where ths land owner is against it. Yes I am legal to trap under thr bridge and rit of way but the trap will get messed with or stolen and its not worth the hassle. I suspect they cant rolll you off your lease. But like said above they can mess with you enough it may not be worth the effort.

Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8624036
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Sounds like the old man wouldn't let THEM hunt the place! Consult a Real Estate Attorney with experience in acreage rentals.


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Re: Question on leasing land [Re: TRAPPER-ED] #8624095
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If they give you the lease price back plus your cost for the food plot that you put in, that they will likely be using, then Id take it and run. Im just stubborn enough to dig my heels in for anything less.....

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