Re: MB 650
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12/19/15 08:25 PM
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I bought a dozen this year, out of the box pan tension was way to heavy for me, but it is a well built trap, I bought the setters with them, makes them easier to set they are very strong, nothing gets out of them. Oh and they are really easy to bed with the locked down jaw.
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Re: MB 650
[Re: trapper1997]
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12/19/15 08:26 PM
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I bought a dozen this year, out of the box pan tension was way to heavy for me, but it is a well built trap, I bought the setters with them, makes them easier to set they are very strong, nothing gets out of them. Did you get the tension down?
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Re: MB 650
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12/19/15 10:59 PM
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I love MB650's. There are a few adjustments I make, but don't have any pictures of them. I do however adjust my pan until it falls on its own. I have caught coon, grey and red fox, cats, and coyotes with no problems thus far.
A SMART man learns by his mistakes, but a WISE man learns by the mistakes of others.
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Re: MB 650
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12/19/15 11:45 PM
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Rick Otts
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I adjust my pan the same as above.I keep hearing about this dead spot but like a guy said before.Set one and push on that so called dead spot then lets talk:) They are some great traps build like a tank.
Rick Otts
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Re: MB 650
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12/20/15 01:05 AM
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I have seen the "dead spot" pushed on by a mans hand, he pushed so hard that the hand holding the trap bobbed up and down. I wouldn't do it, I don't use 650's either.
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Re: MB 650
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12/20/15 01:02 PM
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What is the story on the dead spot? I just ordered two dozen of them and this is the first time I have heard of the "dead spot".
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Re: MB 650
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12/20/15 01:45 PM
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What is the story on the dead spot? I just ordered two dozen of them and this is the first time I have heard of the "dead spot". I like the way someone put it once on here: "Yeah, there's a dead spot. Animals step on it, and they end up dead."
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Re: MB 650
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12/20/15 06:15 PM
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crow1971
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650's are a great trap, I got 2 dz & plan on getting more, I go after yotes & cats mostly & the pan tension is fine out of the box, I have gotten a couple where I had to loosen the pan bolt a little, other than that no problems!
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Re: MB 650
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12/20/15 10:40 PM
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I like mine so far for what they were meant for...coyotes and cats...even fox have been ok in them. Very easy to bed solid, big kill area. I have only ever tried setting them with one hand setters and its been easy as pie. I loosened the bolt till the pan fell on its own weight and waxed them. NOW with all that said, i have not yet held a coon by the front foot in one. Probably had about 5-6 with big catch circle and coon tracks with no coon. Back foot coon are there though. I was not targeting coons at all with them...all coyote sets but tons of coon around and really havent cared at all they got loose on their own. Landowners want the coon gone though.
"If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough"
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Re: MB 650
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12/20/15 10:43 PM
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this "dead spot" everyone talks about is on the very back of the pan above where it pivots...its not exactly dead just harder to trip on that spot than on free end of pan. Just like every other trap lol. Pan needs to hinge further back instead of under where the back of the pan is. I havent had anything step on this spot yet and not get caught though because their foot is big enough to get on the other 98% of the pan that operates normally.
"If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough"
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Re: MB 650
[Re: MIsparkz]
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01/31/16 06:24 PM
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Sometimes I think I live in an alternate reality than everyone else. I don't know how many times I've read on here that "I loosen the screw till the pan drops on it's own and it's just right". Not one of my dozen 650's stay set if I do that.
I don't know why you wouldn't be able to get them all the same. Have you waxed them all already? What ticks me off about them is pan tension changes I belive with temperature. I washed, dyed and waxed them all. Adjusted every one to 2 1/2 lbs and set. Couple weeks later I checked them all and had tension all over the place. A couple bottomed out the Sullivan trap tester.
So if you get them all set make sure you check them once in awhile. Sure wish I could figure out how to remedy it because I love everything else about them. I agree 100% . I think it is rust and moisture as well . I set mine with just enough to hold the pan up . when I snapped my line I really had to push on some . I did catch a gray fox a Fisher and a cat in mine though . I would buy a lot more if I trusted the pan system . Right now I only own 3.
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Re: MB 650
[Re: MIsparkz]
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01/31/16 07:59 PM
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Sometimes I think I live in an alternate reality than everyone else. I don't know how many times I've read on here that "I loosen the screw till the pan drops on it's own and it's just right". Not one of my dozen 650's stay set if I do that.
I don't know why you wouldn't be able to get them all the same. Have you waxed them all already? What ticks me off about them is pan tension changes I belive with temperature. I washed, dyed and waxed them all. Adjusted every one to 2 1/2 lbs and set. Couple weeks later I checked them all and had tension all over the place. A couple bottomed out the Sullivan trap tester.
So if you get them all set make sure you check them once in awhile. Sure wish I could figure out how to remedy it because I love everything else about them. Yes they are waxed, and your experience mirrors mine. It also seems like the pan tension goes way, way up after sitting in the ground for a few days. Set one to where the pan falls on it's own, and it will go off while you are bedding it. Do that to the next one and it may be 4+ pounds. I do not trust these traps at all.
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Re: MB 650
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01/31/16 08:45 PM
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I strongly suggest you folks having pan tension problems do a search and you'll find where in the last two years I've posted several times what the problem is and how to fix it. There will be photos in those posts of mine. LOOK TO THE TRIGGER ROD BRACKETS AND THE LATERAL SLOP!
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 03:08 AM
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Seldom, I found your posts, but photobucket says you removed your pictures
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 09:21 AM
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Seldom, I found your posts, but photobucket says you removed your pictures Yikes! Here they are- Straighten both brackets as needed Add washer(s) at removable bracket end to remove lateral slop of the trigger rod
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 10:16 AM
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I do have the answer to the problem for you guys that dislike , hate, dispies the MB 650 . Send me a pm and I will buy them from you !
I've got about 2.5 dozen of them, the only trap I've had any trouble with is one that got run over. Took me about ten minuets to get it back in working condition !
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 01:08 PM
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I do have the answer to the problem for you guys that dislike , hate, dispies the MB 650 . Send me a pm and I will buy them from you !
I've got about 2.5 dozen of them, the only trap I've had any trouble with is one that got run over. Took me about ten minuets to get it back in working condition ! Same here. I love my MBs. I do nothing to them but degrease and dye. The stiff pan tension is why I like them. A coyote or bobcat can easily set off 5lbs of pan tension. What has a tough time setting them off is pack rats, rabbits, kit fox, and grey fox. In some of the places I trap, you will never catch a bobcats if you can't keep the fox and rabbits out. If I want to catch a fox, I set a trap made for fox and thats why I have MB450s as well.
If traps work like the Antis say......I would have no fingers.
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 03:55 PM
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Seldom, I found your posts, but photobucket says you removed your pictures Yikes! Here they are- Washer added Straighten both brackets as needed Seldom if you will use the in house method of saving your pictures to your post I will "Archive" this post for future trappers. Tom
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 04:51 PM
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I believe I got them fixed Tom, thank you for helping me.
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 05:33 PM
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Seldom, whats keeping the washer from sliding off the end of the trigger rod? The diameter of the hole in the washer has to be big enough to slide around the bend in the trigger rod and I'm missing what is keeping it from sliding back off. Is the washer just pinched between the bend of the trigger rod and the bracket? You have to remove the bracket, slid the washer(s) over and around the rod's bend and when you reattach the bracket the washer can't come off.
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 06:35 PM
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I'm going to try to washer trick with my Mb 650s . Something else that I was wondering. The guys who are not having problems are you useing setters ? I thought that maybe when you step on the trap. You increase pan tension by putting pressure and inserting dirt into the pan bolt system. If you are using setters you are not squashing dirt in the system . Does this sound logical to anyone .
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 06:36 PM
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I did exactly as Seldom suggested. However I did JB weld the washers on and so far this has worked fantastic. Just a little dab will do you and hold that washer in place.
With this modification complete you will have no more problem with pan tension.
A SMART man learns by his mistakes, but a WISE man learns by the mistakes of others.
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 06:57 PM
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What size washer ? I am going to pick some up tomorrow . If this works I would buy a lot of them . I want to try this mod as well
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Re: MB 650
[Re: Rick Otts]
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02/01/16 07:25 PM
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Why do guys buy new traps and for wat ever reason think they wouldnt need too adjust the pan tension? I mean really do you think the guys at MTP or FnT know wat you want or need it set at? Lets get real Who are you referring to? The tension on my dozen are not consistent at all, neither can I get some of them adjusted down to where I want them. Seldom, I'm going to try the washer deal and see if it helps.
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 07:34 PM
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Why do guys buy new traps and for wat ever reason think they wouldnt need too adjust the pan tension? I mean really do you think the guys at MTP or FnT know wat you want or need it set at? Lets get real pan tension changes after trap is snapped . No one is expecting pan tension to be set when you get them . People just want it to stay the same and not change in the trap bed as well . But if the guy at f and t or MTP really knew what we needed . They would just send the trap with a yote already in it . Now that would be great customer service .
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 08:14 PM
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Seldom
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Why do guys buy new traps and for wat ever reason think they wouldnt need too adjust the pan tension? I mean really do you think the guys at MTP or FnT know wat you want or need it set at? Lets get real pan tension changes after trap is snapped . No one is expecting pan tension to be set when you get them . People just want it to stay the same and not change in the trap bed as well . But if the guy at f and t or MTP really knew what we needed . They would just send the trap with a yote already in it . Now that would be great customer service . LMAO!
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Re: MB 650
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02/01/16 08:40 PM
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Why do guys buy new traps and for wat ever reason think they wouldnt need too adjust the pan tension? I mean really do you think the guys at MTP or FnT know wat you want or need it set at? Lets get real LOL I don't think anyone who has posted thinks that. I'm the guy who 2 years ago posted about this problem of pan tension adjustment and I've been at this a long time. Here are my expectations with any trap, I need for the very reasons you mentioned, be able to adjust the pan tension to what I WANT and have it STAY THERE! When I set a pan tension at 3# say, I expect that pan tension to stay at 3#'s until something pyhsical happens to that trap to change it! My Bridgers do and my Dukes do! Here's the scenario- I receive 4 doz MB650's and I like the trap. I play a little with them to get their "feel" and do all my prep work to get them ready to use. The last thing I do is remove the wax from the trigger and pan edge and set the trap pan tension the day before I'm going to start setting for the year. I do this and have all pans set at 2.5#-3# and I'm ready to rock & roll. I start setting my line and I'm having about every 4th trap fire BEFORE I walk back to my truck, maybe 20'!! As the day wears on these quick-firing traps are really aggravating me so I turn around and pull the days work. As I'm pulling I find I've got a few traps fired sitting in their beds AND a few that must have had well over 5# pan tension on them! I start doing some fact finding on the traps ASAP when I got home. The next morning I'm out resetting the line with my Bridgers and Dukes and that night I'm still working on finding out what the deal is with the 650's. I found the problem, as simple as it was BUT I had to spend considerable time proof-testing the fix on maybe 6-10 more traps before I was satisfied enough that I'd found the problem and my solution worked then I had to rework all 4 doz. In my opinion, apparently this trap is designed to need quite close tolerances and when 1 or 2 of it's component's tolerances are off, the dynamics of the trap's system is compromised. The fix is a very simple but nevertheless, a fact-finding fix was certainly necessary and that cost me time and time is $$.
Last edited by Seldom; 02/01/16 08:57 PM.
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