Re: Social Security Benefits
[Re: T-Rex]
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05/13/18 06:15 PM
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Retirement means a lot of different things to different people. Since I retired, in 2013, I have been busier than heck, and not earned one cent. As has been said by other retired people "Since I retired I don't know how I ever had time to work." With everything I do now, I don't know how I had time to do everything else I do now, while I was working.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
[Re: Chamacat]
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05/13/18 06:22 PM
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Yep..The way I see it you only have one shot at it. It will be one of the most important shots one makes entering the fall and winter of ones life. Deciding when to pull the trigger
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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05/13/18 06:32 PM
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You can have them deduct monies for your taxes monthly if you choose to but I keep a reserve and pay at the end. Some of the investments I have had have gained double digit returns in months so why would I let the government use those funds when I could be gaining earnings? Sometimes also a tax payer is required to file quarterly due to how one's income is structured or the types of incomes one has. I am looking at that potential now that I am at the age of RMD's. I am strongly considering taking out far more than I need the next 7 years before we go back to the higher rates etc. Bryce
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Re: Social Security Benefits
[Re: Chamacat]
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05/13/18 06:44 PM
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I get SS and State retirement and work on call for the Sheriff's Dept when needed mostly transports and some Court duty stuff. Between some farm work, skunk trapping and making cages the income is at what I was making before with out the crazy hours.
Just have a plan own nobody if you can and life is a lot easier that way! Retirement is not doing nothing trust me you get more work done when works not getting in the way.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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05/13/18 06:59 PM
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I get SS and State retirement and work on call for the Sheriff's Dept when needed mostly transports and some Court duty stuff. Between some farm work, skunk trapping and making cages the income is at what I was making before with out the crazy hours.
Just have a plan own nobody if you can and life is a lot easier that way! Retirement is not doing nothing trust me you get more work done when works not getting in the way. I'm retired but not old enough for SS yet. I will take it at 62 not waiting around to see who wins the game. My break even year is 84 and there is no guarantee I will be around at 84. Why would I want more SS money when I'm old I would rather have less and have it while I am younger and can use it better then being in my 80's. No right way or wrong way ever case is different.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
[Re: Chamacat]
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05/13/18 07:16 PM
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I retired last year at 62 and will not take SS till I need it, trying to live on as little as possible, pull money out of CD's when we need to. My deal is a disabled wife who does not have the 40 quarters of work record to get SS or Social Security Disability, every cost has always been up to us to pay after insurance. Last couple of years we had over $5000 out of pocket so I said screw it and just quit working, I will take care of her. If I take the smaller SS and die her spousal benefit at 62.5 would be 35% of mine and would stay at that because she has no SS of her own. So we will try to make it to 66 without taking SS.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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05/13/18 07:23 PM
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I see all these 85--84 year break even points. I don't understand. My break even point is 77 years 11 months. That's a big difference. Monthly Social Security benefits Retirement age Break-even age $2,102 62 vs. 66 Between 77 and 78 $2,806 62 vs. 70 Between 80 and 81 $3,721 66 vs. 70 Between 82 and 83 Now this is just a example and these ages go up for break even age from the amount you receive, expenses, returns etc.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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05/13/18 07:30 PM
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I see all these 85--84 year break even points. I don't understand. My break even point is 77 years 11 months. That's a big difference. Monthly Social Security benefits Retirement age Break-even age $2,102 62 vs. 66 Between 77 and 78 That is exactly where I am at. None of those numbers say the break even age is above 83, yet people keep quoting 84 to 85
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Re: Social Security Benefits
[Re: Chamacat]
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05/13/18 07:42 PM
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The confusion is it's the "difference" not the "total" you need to figure into the 18 year formulas! At 66 your getting more yes but you would be getting that $1,060.00 already at 62 so the $54,000+ is what you need to make up in the difference what you would of been getting VS the higher rate if you wait. The "base" has always been there so the difference is what the formula applies to.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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05/13/18 07:48 PM
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Keith, your correct in there is no check it is direct deposit, I was simply using the check word as description.
I don't get how these people are getting their break even numbers that high either, they must not figure in the automatic adjustments that SS does when you get older to make up for taking it a 62. My boy's Father in law got a single large make up check for taking his and bringing it up to what it's supposed to be when he signed up after waiting till 68, when he got divorced, when he could have taken it at 65. So there are ways of bringing it current to catch up.
Is not worth it to me to wait till 70 to start using it, to much talk of to much change in the program has me nervous about losing what I have coming or even waiting longer until I get to start taking it after already waiting past 62.
I can understand those taking it at 62, but I was still working full bore and had lots of OT helping out those years for making my SS larger, they only use 35 of your best years to designate your income. So the last eight have really changed my amount coming due to such a high income, sorta defeats the purpose for me of waiting till 70.
Each one does have their own way of living thank the lord for that and the country we live in !!
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Re: Social Security Benefits
[Re: Chamacat]
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05/13/18 07:53 PM
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Just keep in mind that the guy that works 40 quarters and the guy that works 120 quarters get the same "checks", the guy that gets on SSI get the higher amount even if he gets on at 25 years of age! If I read that right.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
[Re: Chamacat]
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05/13/18 08:02 PM
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Don't think thats correct LAW, as I know people who have done just that and are getting different amount checks, it's based on your income in those quarters.
You only need 35 quarters to qualify, your income is based on the highest of those 35, whether or not you worked 40 35 or 125, but most work longer than that before getting their first SS deposit, your income from SS still continues to change as you continue to work, provided that those years change any prior years that are lower, if not then its a sixer and usually will stay the same except for government mandated cost of living raise's.
According to this SS booklet I have here, and the Medicare brother it shares, LOL
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Re: Social Security Benefits
[Re: Chamacat]
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05/13/18 08:28 PM
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Yep..for numbers sake..If a guy retires at 62 and gets 1700.00 a month (early retirement). He takes that amount each month for 52 months (which makes his age 66.4 years old) he will be $88,400 dollars ahead in 4 years 4 months.
So if he waits till 66.4 years for his first check and it's $2300.00 how many years will it take to make up the $88,400 dollars?
If That same guy waited until he was at age 70 and gave up 96 months at $1700. he would have left $163,200 dollars on the table..thus making this cat an old old cogger making up that kind of cash
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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05/13/18 09:02 PM
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Using those numbers Chamacat, i get it would take you 12.2 years to break even. (Your 62 to 66.4 numbers)
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