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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6636617
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his ego would never let him,he's just as bad as that"who-flung-poo"in N.Korea.with a lot more bad buttons to push.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6636619
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So pulling 50-150 American servicemen causes the entire regional chaos?
Our guys must be bad-a$$.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: walleyed] #6636651
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Not an Iraq vet so I may not qualify to reply. I will say the history I have read shows that the Kurds helped murder Christians wholesale during the Armenian genocide.



I throw the B.S. Flag on Donnersurvivor's assertions that the Kurds are complicit in Genocide.

While some Kurdish sects may have been ordered by Turks to commit atrocities,

It was Ottoman Turks running the show

In all the History of World War 1 that I have studied, Turkey's Ottoman Empire

was responsible for the Genocide of up to 1.5 MILLION Armenians.

No mention of a loosely scattered ethnic Kurdish minority inhabiting

the Mountainous regions of Turkey, Iraq, and Iran

being responsible for any wholesale Turkish Genocide.

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Instead of calling BS you could of simply Googled what I said and found out the truth rather easily. The Kurds had been extorting the Armenians since the late 1800s by charging them illegal taxes and routinely robbing them, the ruling Turks did nothing to stop and let it go on for quite some time. When the Genocide was occurring the Turks allowed the Kurds to wholesale murder the Armenians and steal their belongings including their homes. From my understanding the Turks did not pay the Kurds to rob and kill the Armenians nor did they demand they do it, they just allowed them and the Kurds took full advantage.

There are numerous Kurdish groups who admit this happened.

If I am wrong tell me why and give me the right information to educate me instead of just saying BS because the information I provided is outside your current scope of knowledge.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Ol' Smoke] #6636717
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Originally Posted by Ol' Smoke
So pulling 50-150 American servicemen causes the entire regional chaos?
Our guys must be bad-a$$.



It opens up the Kurds to attack without the chance of killing any Americans and then opening up a can of worms they don't want to mess with! More about politics then firepower. Same as when we don't attack Syrian troops because they have Russians mixed in with them for support.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6636776
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Interesting but typical.
J Staton asked for comments from those who were in the area.
I suggest a poll of those who have commented here as who was actually in the area.
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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6636785
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Most who were there stated so, and are the ones who directly addressed his question.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6636819
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Many ex military went back to fight with the Kurds so I don't think they are all that bad, Trump referenced that they did nothing in WWII for us but then what about the 2 latest wars in Iraq then?


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: hippie] #6636923
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Originally Posted by hippie
You'd have thought Russia would've learned their lesson back in the 80's, in Afghanistan.




You'd have thought we would have learned from what happened with Russia in Afghanistan before we got stuck there. At least they had the sense to pull out in around 9 years..... Thousands of lives and trillions of dollars and things are no more stable now.

There were quotes on foxnews in the past hour from US military members who are very upset that the men they "fought and bled with" are being abandoned. If you want opinions from those who have been/are there, they stated theirs.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6636943
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Kurds are getting pounded now bad move for Trump, not happy and I let them know it.


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Law Dog] #6636997
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The KURDS are our "Brothers In Arms"


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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6637025
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by walleyed



I throw the B.S. Flag on Donnersurvivor's assertions that the Kurds are complicit in Genocide.

While some Kurdish sects may have been ordered by Turks to commit atrocities,

It was Ottoman Turks running the show

In all the History of World War 1 that I have studied, Turkey's Ottoman Empire

was responsible for the Genocide of up to 1.5 MILLION Armenians.

No mention of a loosely scattered ethnic Kurdish minority inhabiting

the Mountainous regions of Turkey, Iraq, and Iran

being responsible for any wholesale Turkish Genocide.

w


Instead of calling BS you could of simply Googled what I said and found out the truth rather easily. The Kurds had been extorting the Armenians since the late 1800s by charging them illegal taxes and routinely robbing them

If I am wrong tell me why and give me the right information to educate me instead of just saying BS because the information I provided is outside your current scope of knowledge.





You are Talking as if The Turks had nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide and that It was planned, and

executed solely by the Kurdish minority while the Turks smoked hashish and watched.

That's B.S.

If you look at the historical record as a whole, The Turkish Army was by far, more involved in the affair than

The Kurdish Minority.

That's like saying that Bulgarians were responsible for the Holocaust because some Bulgarian Policemen

helped the Nazi's round up some Gypsies and Jews.

While I've read of some instances that Kurds were involved in persecuting Armenians, saying the Kurds were

the driving force behind the Armenian genocide is a load of Bull Excrement.

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6637029
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I said nor implied that the Turks had little to do with it, it is common knowledge the Turks were the main aggressors. That doesn't mean the Kurds were not involved which they were and not on a small scale.

Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6637044
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
I said nor implied that the Turks had little to do with it, it is common knowledge the Turks were the main aggressors. That doesn't mean the Kurds were not involved which they were and not on a small scale.



I'll Give you that.

They were certainly involved but they played a less than major role.

I just read the entire wikipedia file on the subject, and there is mountains of historical data on the subject.

It was a free for all on the Armenians because they were Christians and the Turks Muslim.

The Kurds were only one of many who had a hand in wiping out the Armenians.

Now It looks like the KURDS have long out lived their usefulness to Turkey,

and They are next in the Turkish Genocide Lottery unless Mr. Trump Takes a couple steps back.

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Re: Iraq Veterans...Kurds [Re: J Staton] #6637050
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Armenia is on the West side of Turkey. The Kurds live almost exclusively on the East side of Turkey. I find it very unlikely that the Kurds left their area of Turkey and went through areas of Turkey that are hostile to them, in anything approaching significant numbers to hurt Armenians, who they have no issue with. It would be dangerous for the Kurds and make absolutely no sense.

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Does Turkey have a legitimate reason, such as terrorism by the Kurds, or is this truly unprovoked aggression? A person or country has a right to defend themselves and determining if there's a legitimate reason for such aggression should determine policy . In my opinion.


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Originally Posted by KeithC
Armenia is on the West side of Turkey. The Kurds live almost exclusively on the East side of Turkey. I find it very unlikely that the Kurds left their area of Turkey and went through areas of Turkey that are hostile to them, in anything approaching significant numbers to hurt Armenians, who they have no issue with. It would be dangerous for the Kurds and make absolutely no sense.

Keith



Armenians were by in large of Russian origin and were

1st swept up and conquered in the 15th century by muslims.

When the Turks started evicting them from their homes

in Western Turkey, they were marched west into

the Syrian desert before the Kurds got involved.

If anything, It's more likely

the Kurds were victims of circumstance

and coerced into persecuting the Armenians.

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Originally Posted by J Staton
Does Turkey have a legitimate reason, such as terrorism by the Kurds, or is this truly unprovoked aggression? A person or country has a right to defend themselves and determining if there's a legitimate reason for such aggression should determine policy . In my opinion.


The Kurds are fighting for a separate state.

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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by J Staton
Does Turkey have a legitimate reason, such as terrorism by the Kurds, or is this truly unprovoked aggression? A person or country has a right to defend themselves and determining if there's a legitimate reason for such aggression should determine policy . In my opinion.


The Kurds are fighting for a separate state.


The U.N should rewrite the national boundary lines to create a Greater Kurdistan

from ceded territory of the Mountainous regions of Turkey, Iraq, and Iran.

That way all three nations "solve" their KURD problem and the Kurdish people get a homeland.

The KURDS should get some of the oil rich region in northern Iraq

and a corridor between Syria and Turkey to the Mediterranean Sea

so they can pipe out their oil and become a self-sustaining nation.

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in a perfect world Walleyed,that should be easy but these people have a hatred for eachother i don't think we can understand.


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Originally Posted by pcr2
in a perfect world Walleyed,that should be easy but these people have a hatred for eachother i don't think we can understand.


All the more reason to give the KURDS their own country.

Wouldn't be any worse than what they did in 1948 when they gave

the Jews their own homeland in present day Isreal.

The KURDS already "owned" the Mountainous regions of Turkey, Iraq, and Iran

before the League of Nations drew the arbitrary lines on a map after World War I.

They should have went with traditional tribal boundaries instead.

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