Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
[Re: lumberjack391]
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11/04/19 08:17 PM
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I think when people say the "mink ranchers sunk NAFA", what they really mean is "the people in NAFA overextending the company to provide advances to the mink ranchers sunk NAFA".... which is pretty much exactly what you just said. .……..and took down trappers with them and.... carried on business as usual with another auction company. while......dumping trappers as if they were part of the problem
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
[Re: Actor]
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11/04/19 08:23 PM
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I don't have skin in the game either but I sure do feel horrible for the trappers that got caught up in this. It's no different than any other scam. I doubt it started out that way and I suppose greed on the part of NAFA played a large role in it. The wild fur trappers no matter where they are were honest and believed that everything was fine and would go as planned. The company however knew what they were doing and to whom. The ranch fur industry played a part but not as the culprit. Yes the speculated on a market and the market went south. Those folks are in bankruptcy as well as they can't pay their bills either. Which means their suppliers that they bought from on credit are getting hammered too. It is a chain reaction. That's why it's called a pyramid scheme because when the one at the top pushes the eject button it all comes down like a house of cards with all the trappers and everyone else being the cards. The only unfortunate thing here is there probably won't be a proper investigation done to vet out criminal activity and non of the true scoundrels will be held to account whoever they are. SAGA buys up the ranch fur operations that they want which provides NAFA with some relief but when SAGA puts the hammer down on the ranchers they buy (who at this time think they are being rescued) by imposing their strict rules on them then they are going down too and SAGA wins. I'm actually glad that SAGA is not getting involved in North American wild fur. Again I hate for those that got stuck. I pray for all that they come out ok or better than ok. This is a good opportunity For all trappers to rally together. What these folks have done is despicable but no matter how angry we get it isn't going to change it. I understand venting though as sometimes I think we all do. I do believe that though they seem to gotten away with it for now there are two things I know. They have to live with it for the rest of their days especially when they look a fur trapper in the eye and sleep at night and somehow someway they will get in return what they have done to others. It won't happen at our hand or in our time table but it will come.
"Skin that smokewagon and see what happens"
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
[Re: turkn8rtrapper]
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11/04/19 08:56 PM
11/04/19 08:56 PM
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I don't have skin in the game either but I sure do feel horrible for the trappers that got caught up in this. It's no different than any other scam. I doubt it started out that way and I suppose greed on the part of NAFA played a large role in it. The wild fur trappers no matter where they are were honest and believed that everything was fine and would go as planned. The company however knew what they were doing and to whom. The ranch fur industry played a part but not as the culprit. Yes the speculated on a market and the market went south. Those folks are in bankruptcy as well as they can't pay their bills either. Which means their suppliers that they bought from on credit are getting hammered too. It is a chain reaction. That's why it's called a pyramid scheme because when the one at the top pushes the eject button it all comes down like a house of cards with all the trappers and everyone else being the cards. The only unfortunate thing here is there probably won't be a proper investigation done to vet out criminal activity and non of the true scoundrels will be held to account whoever they are. SAGA buys up the ranch fur operations that they want which provides NAFA with some relief but when SAGA puts the hammer down on the ranchers they buy (who at this time think they are being rescued) by imposing their strict rules on them then they are going down too and SAGA wins. I'm actually glad that SAGA is not getting involved in North American wild fur. Again I hate for those that got stuck. I pray for all that they come out ok or better than ok. This is a good opportunity For all trappers to rally together. What these folks have done is despicable but no matter how angry we get it isn't going to change it. I understand venting though as sometimes I think we all do. I do believe that though they seem to gotten away with it for now there are two things I know. They have to live with it for the rest of their days especially when they look a fur trapper in the eye and sleep at night and somehow someway they will get in return what they have done to others. It won't happen at our hand or in our time table but it will come. Very well put, turk. w
"Provisional/Interim" member of NYS Trappers Association Jefferson Co. Fur Harvesters
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
[Re: bch]
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11/05/19 11:55 AM
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What are all of you going to do with your fur now, support a locale dealer, ship to FHA, or support your state asso auction? "Support" is an odd way of putting this. I always thought we were both supposed to make money on a deal?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/05/19 03:06 PM
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It seems that most here did not realize that wild fur was a very small part of NAFA. When wild fur was booming ranch fur was too. NAFA made way more money on ranch fur than wild fur. I can see how and why they would try to invest in it. Yes, they over invested and lost their butt. Do I like it? "NO" But what business doesn't try to expand where they make their money? All you needed to do was look at a auction listing to figure out what they had for fur and where the money was. It was all there in black and white. I always did well on the fur I shipped to NAFA. It was good while it lasted.
"Not Really, Not Really" Mark J Monti "MJM you're a jerk."
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
[Re: pcr2]
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11/05/19 04:42 PM
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i'm figurin lot less competition there this year. Probably get Top Lot unless Boco ships.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/05/19 05:08 PM
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If all your fur are top lot you would be the greatest ever in NAFA history. Maybe they would create a new award and charge you $10 a hide just to receive it. That is of course like stated above unless BOCO ships his fur.
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/05/19 10:27 PM
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Re: NAFA Speaks again ....
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11/06/19 09:22 AM
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1- No fur at NAFA for the 2020 season.
2- Dealer lots will be returned to dealers.
3- Intersorted pelts will be sold at auction and trappers will be paid for that fur.
4- Bad Checks will be made good.
5- when this will happen I don't know.
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