How much Magnetic field is in a wire fence ?
How about a broken off plow shear or disk burryed in a frield?

How much is in a snare ?

here is another scenario for you.
If you lived in town and you saw footprints in fresh snow walking down the sidewalk would it alarm you?
If those footprints walked from the sidewalk to your vehicle parked in your driveway,then around it, then to your house, around it and stopping at every window and door would it send up yellow flags?
So are you alarmed when you see footprints in the snow?

Had one coyote dig up a bedded trap that had the springs deactivated and carry it off 30 yds, and by the sign left, played with it for some time. Was he cautious of when it was buried but curious when he uncovered it? Possible in my opinion. Out of 15 test sets I've yet to have one bed dug at that i made and repacked without a trap in it.

I mean logic tells me obviously they know there’s a trap there. Anyone that thinks they can disguise the scent of a trap when a dog can smell a dead body weeks after it’s been there is kidding themselves. I’ll be the devils advocate. Can’t the coyote just smell the metal of the trap and have nothing to do with a magnetic field?

From testing so far it is a possibility. I do not have the information from testing to lead me to speculate on how it detects its there.

A good test may be to make a set and bed a non-ferrous metal item in a trap bed. Then make another set with nothing but dirt in the bed and see if there's any adverse reaction to the bedded non-ferrous metal. You could also do the test of a set with a trap bed containing a non-ferrous metal item in it and a bedded trap in a set next to that one.

Good idea. I told myself I'd do 30 the first way to get a large enough for a sample to feel confident in any pattern I was seeing then move forward from there depending on my findings. I wish I was smart enough to find a way to lower the magnetic field of a regular trap to next to nothing so that all variables were the exact same except the magnetic fields.

No...thats not what I mean. His book explains what he's researched and found. For those interested, reading his research will save time in learning about the topic...same as with any methods book.

Kirk has shared a lot of trapping info on Tman over the years.

I dont recall seeing Huntall76 sharing any useable trapping knowledge...correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct in your assessment. It is a learned trait from close encounters. A lot of factors come into play for the field to matter in certain situations but having the knowledge may give you the edge with educated ones.

Coyotes are born with a strong sense of caution/ fear (just listen to the stories of the couple of guys on here who have or have had coyotes for pets), can be taught caution/ fear by their parents (ive read 2 different accounts of this from guys that spent their lifetime making a living controling coyotes) and can learn caution/ fear from first hand experiences.

I agree Yes sir. But from what I understand it's sill a learned trait from close encounters. So if the parents teach them it's still a learned trait. In my opinion, I don't think a lot of this is passed on to the pups unless coyotes are being pursued, controlled (trapped/snared) through the rearing season. Then they learn from the parents. But if they aren't being pursued through the rearing season there's not as many danger opportunities to pass on, so when they disperse they are vulnerable to sets.

You read all of my posts? I'm honored. Not once did I question his trapping ability or knowledge. Do I believe this magnetic field thing, no I do not. Do I believe he's plugging his book yes I do, and just because you don't think any of my post about trapping related subjects are knowledgeable doesn't bother me, it's your opinion, just like what I said is my opinion. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

You made remarks that Kirk was just selling his book and then put his information down because you dont believe it.

I see his posts as him putting information out what he has discovered.

You havent hurt my feelings as I dont recall anything you've posted on here to share trapping knowledge or ideas, but I may have overlooked it.

I mostly dont understand why someone would deride someone for presenting info on trapping.

I bet when the dirthole set was first presented...that guy was riduculed too.

Open minds......

Anyone ever try and make two set .1 without anything the first. Then put a magnet in the other

Ok. Won't open this thread again and good day to you sir.

I'll test few magnetics buried and see what happens.

So a beaver is going to tell the difference between a 330 and a fence posr magnetic field? There is so much iron junk laying around that the possibilities of an animal telling the difference is preposterous.
Even if the theory is correct.
just

Kirk knows I am not sold on this, But he also knows I will test the heck out of his theory to make it work. Yes make it work, not test to just see or test to prove it does not work!!!! If it works I learned something and can use. If it does not pan out Then I know I did every thing to see if it works and can say it does not work or it works in this situation and not in that one. And I still learned something. Not to help him, but in fact to help me in my business (I have this same mindset for testing new baits and lures or new products)

Animals do get trap shy and trap smart or as beav says in the case as foot traps. set shy and set smart. (there is a difference between shy and smart) In my business of ADC/Wildlife control I can see the reasons most times for refusal. and that is learned behavior. But some times I can see what I call inner caution and sometimes I cant tell you why that animal is behaving a certain way and refusing a trap or set. I can see these things mostly because I am dealing with an animal or family group on a daily basis and observing their actions and my customers are filling me in on what is going on when I am not there. But If fur trapping or doing ADC on a 1000 acres these behaviors will not be seen easily by me or the person trapping most likely.

Any one that has raised horses and cattle knows that the electric fence is a great tool to keep them in the pasture, but only after they learned that thing hurts when touched. We also have seen them smell the hot wire from an inch away and not touch it???????. And every one that uses electric fence knows that if the fence goes dead in time the cows and horses are pushing on the fence. Now I don't know if current is the same as EMF as far as emitting out from the metal? I don't know if they can smell it or see it or how they know it is hot and not hot but they do. So I can only assume that animals can detect EMF also.

Now here is where this ole redneck start to wonder, if animals will test the fence that hurt when touched on a regular basis and after when not hot will push on it, why would a animal refuse a magnetic field that I assume does not hurt at all and they learned no harm comes from it? And why would it have a negative effect on some animals yet others use it to migrate or as in the example of the fox that is more successful when pouncing mice on a certain magnetic direction orientation? As far as a foot traps maybe a EMF from the trap may cause a curiosity to dig it up?

I have been testing on cages. and snares that I am setting daily in the business and have some thoughts, I will be testing DP traps both standard set and advanced system, cages and snares this fur season to see if the critters that live in 1000 acres and very little EMF emissions react differently than the city critters that are use to EMF emitting from everything.

Jonesie

Here's something to think on...... take the same cattle that seem to be able to sense when the electric fence is off and get out fairly quickly, shut fence off and try to herd them through the fence. 99.9 % of the time you cant. Shut it off lower it to the ground and try to herd them over it, it can still be very challenging most of the time. Only explanation I can even touch on is the mind set of the animals in each situation influencing there reaction.

Cautious/ nervous/ alert animals can sometimes have completely different reactions to the same stimulus than they would during situations when they are at ease.

Only thing I really target or test on is coyotes most of the time and between whatever human scent, sometimes the unnatural situation of the set, the unfamiliarness of the odor or strength of odor, and probably a few other "yellow flags" we as humans can't see, I think a majority of coyotes come into a set with a cautios mind set.

If i ask you if you were scared of a gun you answer would totally be dependent on the situation.

Just some food for thought from a trapper that has more questions than answers

Jonsie

In dealing with traps you’re not really measuring EMF. You’re measuring the difference between the average induction of the earth and the changed it may make. If the induction increases that’s negative negative response it will get. If the induction decreases It’s a positive response.
In my book I don’t talk about EMF until about the 3/4 end of the book. That’s when I start relating it to humans and it’s effects on humans and animals. I then go on to show how all forms of contamination radiation and other forms affects humans to cause cancer.
No where in the book do I refer to or talk about magnets or the word magnet.