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Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Huntall76] #6955353
08/05/20 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Huntall76
Didn't we beat this horse already?

Ouch! Poor dead horse! LOL!

Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6955513
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So if you don't think Kirk has any possible sense, how come I can take 2 cage traps (different makers) baited identical 5 feet apart in a shed and one will out catch the other hands down? He shares much information on here, whether or not you choose to try it or dismiss it as Hocus pocus I believe he deserves some respect which has really gone down hill on here. Dead horses get beat up on trapper talk.


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Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: dustytinner] #6955565
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Originally Posted by dustytinner
So if you don't think Kirk has any possible sense, how come I can take 2 cage traps (different makers) baited identical 5 feet apart in a shed and one will out catch the other hands down? He shares much information on here, whether or not you choose to try it or dismiss it as Hocus pocus I believe he deserves some respect which has really gone down hill on here. Dead horses get beat up on trapper talk.


I'd say because the animal decided to walk into one over the other. The rest is just a guess.


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Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6955852
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I would classify this hypothesis into the Deer Whistle category, I believe with attentive driving and defensive driving you stand a better chance of not hitting deer than installing an ultrasonic whistle on your bumper. But for those that did and have not hit a deer Ė they work like a charm. Setting on sign with a well-tuned trap, well bedded or placed has served some of the best trappers for decades. Iím also certain no coon would ever pass up a free meal because you had a metal garbage placed can at the end of your driveway.

Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6955985
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OP, how are you measuring the magnetic field of the 330?


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Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6956028
08/06/20 10:23 AM
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Well, I checked all mine with a magnet. And sure enough, every last one of them was attracted to it. No wonder my catch has been off!


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Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: waggler] #6956150
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Originally Posted by waggler
OP, how are you measuring the magnetic field of the 330?


He uses a magnetometer phone app. You can search for for a free one on your phone.

I believe Kirk's studies have merit but there are a lot of factors that have to come into play for the field to matter. Depending on your method of trapping, the age of the animal, the kind of animal, soil conditions, and the area you live all make a difference. Knowing some of this may give you an advantage in certain situations or weather conditions.

Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6956523
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Is there a book I could buy that would help explain this?


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Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: WadeRyan] #6956639
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Originally Posted by WadeRyan
Is there a book I could buy that would help explain this?


https://www.amazon.com/OUTDOORSMANS...924457acbbbc0f5d60794&language=en_US


The Real Reasons Animals Are Detecting Your Sets And Devices by Kirk Dekalb
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Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6957129
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All I will say is I've tested this theory on coyotes and I'm not done testing. Which is more than some keyboard experts on here have. The trouble I see is, that when one is happy with their trapping skills they think they have it all figured out and become numb to other ideas. I feel very comfortable to say a bedded trap influences how coyotes work a set the majority of the time.

Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6960206
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"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."


"We didn't come all the way out here just to 'feel them on the line.' "
Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6960208
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Originally Posted by Kirk De
Originally Posted by WadeRyan
Is there a book I could buy that would help explain this?


https://www.amazon.com/OUTDOORSMANS...924457acbbbc0f5d60794&language=en_US


I was wondering when he would get the chance to plug his book he has for sale .

Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6960228
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he WAS asked...


"We didn't come all the way out here just to 'feel them on the line.' "
Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: white marlin] #6961296
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Iíve got a HEX suit and that thing is wicked good. I sometimes just wear it and sit feet away from my coyote sets and literally watch them get caught. Iíve also killed a pile of deer with a knife while using it.

Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6961479
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Were can I get one of those suits?


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Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6961485
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Kirk's book on this topic is not about selling a solution to the magnetic field vs traps phenomenon. Its an in-depth explanation about what he has discovered. You, the trapper, after reading the book, can make your own decisions or any changes to your equipment.

Kirk is the most critical thinker I've ever met. Where most of us just shrug off thoughts or ideas Kirk breaks em down and expands on em.

Btw, he has killed mind-boggling numbers of beaver and otter. And engineered several models of the slickest mechanical, spring-loaded door cage traps made.


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Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6961629
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I think Kirk deserves credit for killing Ďmind-bogglingí numbers of beaver...period. That can happen with a tremendous work ethic and a good population.

However, Iíd like to play devilís advocate on the magnetic theory. Letís say an animal really has the ability to sense a magnetic field. At some point in itís life, it needs to have associated the intensified magnetic field with danger. In other words, even if it can detect a magnetic field, it has to have already had a near death experience around one in order to associate it with danger. I believe the vast majority of inexperienced animals fall to their first close encounter to a trap.

Iíll be the first to admit that Ďtrap shyí animals appear to have a sixth sense. But I think it is more an individual animalís disposition of being paranoid to new things in their environment. In most cases I believe this happens by a near miss experience but it is also possibly an inherited trait. I have a hard time believing that the majority population of any species associates a magnetic field with danger...even if they can detect the field.

Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6961632
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Kirk's book on this topic is not about selling a solution to the magnetic field vs traps phenomenon. Its an in-depth explanation about what he has discovered. You, the trapper, after reading the book, can make your own decisions or any changes to your equipment.

Kirk is the most critical thinker I've ever met. Where most of us just shrug off thoughts or ideas Kirk breaks em down and expands on em.

Btw, he has killed mind-boggling numbers of beaver and otter. And engineered several models of the slickest mechanical, spring-loaded door cage traps made.



You mean after BUYING his book and reading you can make your decisions on equipment, like I said earlier he's only posting on this subject to sell his book and since he started another thread on this subject I can only assume they are not selling. As for all the animals he has trapped , I don't see anyone arguing that but it's not like other trappers in this country haven't caught as Many or more then him without worrying about magnetic fields.

Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: BvrRetriever] #6961750
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Originally Posted by BvrRetriever
I have a hard time believing that the majority population of any species associates a magnetic field with danger...even if they can detect the field.


I like "outside-the-box" thinking; so I bought the book.

I don't believe Kirk ever said "the majority population of any species associates a magnetic field with danger". I could be wrong, but I don't think he said that.

what I remember is the idea that SOME individuals will choose another route if they detect a spike in magnetism in one path, versus another.

have you ever visited a place and thought :"man, something just doesn't FEEL right about that place."? You didn't say, "I think there's danger there"

...I think it's the same kind of deal.

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Re: Testing 330s for their magnetic field [Re: Kirk De] #6961780
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Its not hard to test the affects of a bedded trap in front of a dirt hole.
Two holes about 1 1/2' apart, the best bait you have that makes them dig and stand back and watch what happens(i did dig a trap bed on the hole without a trap and packed it just like I would with a trap). I've put out 15 sets like this and will do another 15 hopefully in the next month or so when it cools down a little. Ive put in over 300 test sets without a trap and it seemed obvious that coyotes were much more comfortable working a set without a bedded trap than with a bedded trap present.

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