Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
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03/27/21 09:45 AM
03/27/21 09:45 AM
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Central, SD
Law Dog
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I set all MJ traps for K-9s and many for cats for less time spent at the set the one hand setters are the ticket, just lay everything out and kneel once and your done and back in the truck.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
#7228187
03/27/21 01:38 PM
03/27/21 01:38 PM
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Joined: Sep 2010
NC, Person Co.
QuietButDeadly
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I use gloves to protect me but I avoid leather gloves. Leather absorbs and holds odor much more than gloves made of other material. I avoid leather boots for the same reason.
I am also a firm believer that most scent contamination around sets that cause refusals is caused by carelessness or folks not thinking about things like wearing the same shoes on the trap line and at the gas station. Every time you fuel up, you are most likely standing where someone has spilled fuel. Wear those same shoes on the line, you stink up the area around the trap. Same with gas nozzles, get gas or diesel smell on your hands and cross contaminate traps.
I do not believe these unnatural scents disburse as quickly as human odor.
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
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03/27/21 04:09 PM
03/27/21 04:09 PM
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Joined: Jul 2017
South Texas Brush Country
TEJAS
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How many guys use a ground cloth when setting for canines in order to cut down on human scent? How many use gloves for setting canine traps? I use a tarp and gloves. A tarp can have a huge impact on your first night catch percentage. I believe that the amount of pressure coyotes have been under often dictates what you can and can’t get away with as far a scent is concerned. The same applies with sets and smells. You may be able to throw caution to the wind in an area that’s seen little to no pressure. In some places you might be able to bare hand your traps and set all dirt holes with the same bait or lure at every location. It’s easy to fool the kindergarten class. Try those same tactics on high pressure ground and you will have created a coyote amusement park with free admission. Sloppy trapping creates educated coyotes. You often times see trappers scoff at scent control. I’ve noticed that for the most part these folks move from location to location. Skimming the cream and ADC trapping are two different animals with two different approaches. I always hear the mantra “coyotes know you have been there”. If that was the case a hound with a much better nose than any coyote would be able to cold trail an animal days after it has passed. The best blood tracking dogs rarely work a trail after 24 hours. As for the scent issue, I believe a strong human odor presents an immediate danger. A faint odor represents that a threat was in the area, but has long since gone. The strong odor is a red light. A faint odor is a caution light.
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
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03/27/21 06:27 PM
03/27/21 06:27 PM
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NC, Person Co.
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There are some folks in my neck of the woods that find deer a long time after 24 hours even after a hard rain. These dogs do it enough that I would not consider it rare by any means. Every situation is different and 24 hours may be a good rough number but is certainly not absolute.
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: QuietButDeadly]
#7228563
03/27/21 08:38 PM
03/27/21 08:38 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Maine
Mac
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Maine
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Really appreciate all the great posts.
Mac
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
#7228927
03/28/21 09:37 AM
03/28/21 09:37 AM
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PA
PAskinner
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I don't claim to be a great coyote trapper, but I do wear gloves when setting. Don't want lure on the trap or the trap bed. Other than that, I don't like to put my knees on the ground cause it's usually wet, so I squat, but that's getting more uncomfortable than it used to be. Some fox are skittish, some aren't. I would like to trap in a real dense population sometime to see if there is a difference. I think the biggest issue for me is traps dirtied by non-target catches. I had a set that caught coon this year dug up multiple times, probably by a grey fox, no matter where I put the trap. I should have put a fresh set in with a fresh trap, but I didn't. And if you think about it, your gloves carry that non-target animal smell onto all your new sets too. Grays love to dig. It's not usually an issue with reds.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
#7228940
03/28/21 09:55 AM
03/28/21 09:55 AM
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Port Republic South Jersey
Newt
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Hip boots to keep dry,warmand for briar prection. Gloves if its cold.But I take them off when setting traps or snares. In-Out fast as I can. Gloves slow this down.
South Jersey Trapping and Snaring School January 17-18-19 2025 NEWT -----------------OVER---------------- www.snareone.com
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
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03/28/21 10:12 AM
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Flint, Michigan
bhugo
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While it’s true that you can’t avoid human scent contamination, I have found that simply trying to keep other foreign scent like lure or bait off the trap itself is important. That is the best reason to wear gloves. Either wear them when baiting or when planting the trap or different gloves for both. This keeps the focus on the post, hole or wherever you put the scent on purpose and never on the trap. It’s a simple precaution that is not onerous. As usual though, any evidence is purely anecdotal.
Member MTPCA, FTA and NTA
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
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03/28/21 01:53 PM
03/28/21 01:53 PM
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Nebraska
WadeRyan
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Nebraska
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I don't live in an area that's void of humans. Quite the opposite. I don't give scent anymore concern than the color of underwear I put on. Speed and repetition have been the ticket to success for me.
Gloves to keep my hands from getting any worse then they already are in the winter and a pad to keep my knees from screaming. Neither of which are used for scent purposes. I use the same gloves I filled up the gas mower with in the summer.
Last edited by WadeRyan; 03/28/21 01:55 PM.
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: QuietButDeadly]
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03/28/21 10:31 PM
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South Texas Brush Country
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There are some folks in my neck of the woods that find deer a long time after 24 hours even after a hard rain. These dogs do it enough that I would not consider it rare by any means. Every situation is different and 24 hours may be a good rough number but is certainly not absolute. That’s interesting QBD. I know a couple of South Texas houndsmen that are as good as they get around these parts. They run between sixty to one hundred tracks each during a season. I draw my conclusions from their expert opinions on canines and scent. There is a lot a coyote trapper can learn from these folks. Just this morning I happened to speak with one of those men. He said he has only run a few tracks twenty-four hours or more. He went on to say for the most part he avoids taking up any trail over twenty-four hours. This year his top dog was successful on a trail that was 36 hours old. That is his oldest track to date. To give you an idea of the dog’s credentials, the owner was recently offered 30K for the hound and turned it down. The point being, if a good hound often struggles with a blood trail outside twenty-four hours, then a coyote with less scenting capabilities is not likely to pick up on human scent within a smaller time frame.
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
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03/29/21 01:41 AM
03/29/21 01:41 AM
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Idaho
bearcat2
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Tejas, I am a houndman and I can tell you it all depends on conditions. I've seen when they couldn't trail an hour old track, and other times when conditions were right I've seen them sail out of there on a two day old track like it was red hot. But if you talk to those houndmen they will tell you that a good cold nosed dog will be able to smell places where the animal has been, particularly where they peed or laid up for days oftentimes. They can't trail it, the scent of the track itself has long since faded, but where the cat peed on a bush or laid up they can still smell. Same will go for coyotes, wolves, or I'm assuming fox. Here I notice that canines don't tend to be too bothered by human scent on the logging roads, but if you get off them much they get a lot more leery. I wear gloves for scent when setting canine traps, and use other gloves for lure or bait. I'm not too anal about scent, and wear leather boots, same ones I drive with and fill up at the gas station, etc. But they are trotting down my snowmobile trail, fourwheeler tracks, or truck tracks, they expect to smell those smells there. I'm not as fast as I should be setting traps, but I believe spending less time at a set is probably more helpful than trying to be scentfree and spending more time there. Still thin skintight gloves don't slow me down much and I'm sure help with scent. I'm not going to keep them from knowing tI was there the first couple nights, but I'd rather they didn't smell any stronger scent where the trap is than other places, or have scent linger on the trap while it has dissapated everywhere else. Frankly wolves and coyotes both may not be back around for quite a while, a week or two for coyotes and possibly a month for wolves, so it is probably a lot more important to keep from reapplying human scent every trap check than it is to try and be scentfree when you set them.
And it depends on the type of human scent also. Heck I use my own urine to freshen up pee posts for wolves at times, and then think how it might be asinine that I make sure and use clean gloves when setting the trap, but again I don't want them to smell the trap itself, they should be smelling the attractant whether it be bait, lure or urine, not sniffing and paying attention to the trap bed.
Last edited by bearcat2; 03/29/21 01:43 AM.
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: bearcat2]
#7229729
03/29/21 05:50 AM
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Maine
Mac
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Again, I must say a lot of good trappers have taken time to share their thoughts, and I appreciate it. Very interesting to hear some of these trappers share information about hounds and trailing. Very good information. Thanks
Mac
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
#7229787
03/29/21 08:40 AM
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SW Pa
Bob Jameson
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i use whatever I have no real precautions on what smell I leave behind. Leather gloves, sometimes insulated sometimes not. Bare hands at times in nice weather, wear gloves for keeping my hands from getting wet and too beat up over several months. Fingers get real sore at times from cracking so try to keep them in good shape. I wear slip on rubber boots mainly in the later part of the season to keep my feet and legs somewhat dry. Dry weather short Gore-Tex hiker type boots when the weather is still mild. They are more comfortable then rubber boots. Always have used some type of kneeling for comfort and knee protection. Never worried about odor much except on equipment/traps and transfer contamination of lure and bait on things that could cause issues for you. Years ago I think all of us old timers were ingrained with human odor paranoia until we learned it didn't matter much in most cases.. Many times I have had to relieve myself in the field. Just walked a piece away to a clear spot to keep from squatting on something uncomfortable and went about my business as usual. Caught fox, coyotes and cats at every such location. I took note of these spots to see what if any effect it would have on my catch. No worries.. Not a good idea to be too close to your catch circle. 
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: MChewk]
#7229942
03/29/21 01:56 PM
03/29/21 01:56 PM
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NC, Person Co.
QuietButDeadly
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I’d like to throw a question out for the guys that wear gloves. Are you using the same gloves for setting new sets out as you use for remakes? Think about that for a second regarding odors. That should also be considered regarding boots ....are you changing your boots when you’re making a fresh set AFTER you’ve just made a remake set. I like using a setting cloth/canvas but that can be also considered in my above questions....do you use a different setting cloth/canvas for remakes vs new sets? What about a skunk catch? We can drive ourselves crazy thinking about trying to stay scent free...
I definitely agree with the part in bold. The rest, I do not pay much attention to. New sets or remakes done the same way for me, same gloves, same tools, same pad, same shoes, etc..... And I firmly believe that a skunk catch improves the odds of catching a canine or cat.
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