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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: MJM] #7230578
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Originally Posted by MJM
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Current guidelines are 28 days as previously stated. All the studies were at 28 days. There was some availability issues when Texas had the big freeze and Fedex shut down for a week. So the 28 days was relaxed a little and if needed you can stretch it out to 6 weeks between doses. The first dose is about 65% effective after the second it bumps up to 95%. I have heard of some countries holding off on the second dose to have at least one dose for all of their citizens. I donít think anyone knows how effective it is if you wait several months between doses.

65% and 95% effective at what?? I have not heard it will stop you from catching or spreading CV-19. I will admit it make a lot of people feel safe .


Both Moderna and Pfizers shots have an effacy rate of around 95% after the second shot. It takes about 2 weeks after the 2nd shot to for your immune system to build up the need antibodies to reach it though. So after your second shot you still can get and spread it. The rates of infection fall off the longer out you go from the 2nd shot.
Moderna has a higher rate after the first shot than Pfizer. M= about 75-80%. Pfizer is about 55% after the first shot.

Of course like with any vaccine out there, there are going to be people who just can't build up the antibodies needed to become immune. I got my Hep. A/B vaccines early on in life. When I developed liver disease they checked all the antibody levels for stuff that I should've been vaccinated for to help prevent it. It was found that I had none for Hep A/B. I went through the series of 3 shots again for it. I was tested for the antibodies for the following 3 years every 3 months and never built up the antibodies.

When I inquired about it they said there are people who just can't build up the antibodies.
I did show up as having stuff for Hep C and they figured I had contracted it around 20 years old and my body fought it off. They did want me to participate in a study where they would basically try to give me Hep C, and see if my body fought it off. I did a hard pass on that because they couldn't say with even 80% certainty that the medicine they had to get rid of it would even work. If it would've been above 97% I probably would've done it. The only good thing about it was they told me if I did participate and my liver started to fail I would've been at the top of the list and a transplant would've been free and all follow up care/medicines would've been free as well.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230593
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Here is the info you speak of boco.

Based on emerging evidence of the protection provided by the first dose of a two dose series for COVID-19 vaccines currently authorized in Canada, NACI recommends that in the context of limited COVID-19 vaccine supply jurisdictions should maximize the number of individuals benefiting from the first dose of vaccine by extending the second dose of COVID-19 vaccine up to four months after the first. NACI will continue to monitor the evidence on effectiveness of an extended dose interval and will adjust recommendations as needed. (Strong NACI Recommendation)

In addition to emerging population-based data, this recommendation is based on expert opinion and the public health principles of equity, ethics, accessibility, feasibility, immunological vaccine principles, and the perspective that, within a global pandemic setting, reducing the risk of severe disease outcomes at the population-level will have the greatest impact. Current evidence suggests high vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease and hospitalization for several weeks after the first dose, including among older populations.
This recommendation applies to all COVID-19 vaccines currently authorized for use in Canada.
In situations where informed consent included assumptions about second dose timing, jurisdictions may consider offering second doses at shorter intervals for those who provided consent for the vaccine series prior to this recommendation.
The vaccine effectiveness of the first dose will be monitored closely and the decision to delay the second dose will be continuously assessed based on surveillance and effectiveness data and post-implementation study designs. Effectiveness against variants of concern will also be monitored closely, and recommendations may need to be revised.

In essence, it says we don't have enough vaccine for everyone, so we are giving out more single dose vaccine to give some immunity to all people who will take any vaccine. We are delaying the second dose based on a best guess and hope we are not wrong. If you are willing to take a chance we will give you one shot and give you the second shot four months later when we get more supply. We will keep an eye on how things are turning out as we go. We can change these recommendations at any time if this doesn't work.

You and all your compadres are being guinea pigs. Like it or not. I cannot find any information confirming a better immune response with a 4 month gap between shots instead of 4 week gap as recommended by the manufacturers.

Don't get mad at me. This is your government doing this. I am just pointing out the information you stated was so credible.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230595
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Mine were 4 weeks apart.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230604
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Upon further reading boco.

While studies have not yet collected four months of data on effectiveness of the first dose, the first two months of population-based effectiveness data are showing sustained and high levels of protection. These data include studies in health care workers, long term care residents, elderly populations and the general public. While this is somewhat lower than the efficacy demonstrated after one dose in clinical trials, it is important to note that vaccine effectiveness in a general population setting is typically lower than efficacy from the controlled setting of a clinical trial, and this is expected to be the case after series completion as well.

I don't know who is telling you everything looks good up to four months, but if they are telling you that, they are lying to your face.

If you would just read some information and educate yourself, you would see there are too many variables out there to make a decision.

But if you are willing to accept the lies you have been told and be a human guinea pig, more power to you. I will watch and see how things turn out for those who choose to go this route. Hopefully, nothing.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: bowhunter27295] #7230620
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I don't see anything about strengthening DNA ether. Me and my wife both got our Moderna shots, they were spaced two weeks apart.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7230623
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Originally Posted by Boco
According to known data on other vaccines,longer time(within reason) between the initial shot and the booster produces a stronger immune response in the long run.

What "other" vaccines ? What is within reason?
I'd make the argument according to data most "Other" vaccines need a booster in 3 to 6 weeks at that point a booster every 1,5 or 10 yrs should suffice. If the 2nd shot isn't given within that time frame most "other" vaccines require the initial series to be restarted according to data.
Prior to 3 week I'll give it you.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: teepee2] #7230624
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Originally Posted by teepee2
I don't see anything about strengthening DNA ether. Me and my wife both got our Moderna shots, they were spaced two weeks apart.

What's this about strengthening DNA? That's not how the vaccines work.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230626
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So basically Canada is going against what the limited studies have shown and are giving a little extra in the first dose and hoping and praying it works out good for them?


I'm ok with being a guinea pig for this by going by what the studies have shown so far. I've been one before. If it can help with the actual implementation and gather real data (good or bad causes) then I'm all for it. I'm not afraid of it. I told my wife that if I die or go into some sort of coma, or the like within 4 months of the second shot then give me to science to figure out what the heck they can do better.

I wouldn't do what Canada want me to do though.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: SNIPERB🦝] #7230628
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝

What's this about strengthening DNA? That's not how the vaccines work.


This is what Boco said earlier.
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I feel great after the first shot a week ago-cant wait to get the second one-its supposed to strengthen your DNA.
Only thing I noticed when I got mad the other day my skin took on a green tinge and a couple buttons popped on my shirt.


Not sure where he is getting that info though.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230646
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One would hope he meant "strengthen the immune system". You can strengthen and train your immune system. You cant "strengthen" DNA. Modify or damage it, certainly but not strengthen it. It's fairly fragile but you can't strengthen it.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: ccoyote] #7230647
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Originally Posted by ccoyote
Originally Posted by Boco
According to known data on other vaccines,longer time(within reason) between the initial shot and the booster produces a stronger immune response in the long run.

What "other" vaccines ? What is within reason?
I'd make the argument according to data most "Other" vaccines need a booster in 3 to 6 weeks at that point a booster every 1,5 or 10 yrs should suffice. If the 2nd shot isn't given within that time frame most "other" vaccines require the initial series to be restarted according to data.
Prior to 3 week I'll give it you.


And this is what some people don't understand.

This vaccine was made an entirely new way that vaccines have never been manufactured before. Comparing this vaccine to ANY OTHER vaccine is not a comparison. It is like comparing a herd of zebra (all vaccines made in the traditional method) to one three toed sloth (mRNA method). They are all animals but one is completely and totally different.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230658
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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230661
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So many ideas you should of said some cannot even understand the basic ideas. LOL


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7230671
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Originally Posted by Boco
According to known data on other vaccines,longer time(within reason) between the initial shot and the booster produces a stronger immune response in the long run.



Listened to a spokesman from maderna say the same. His statement was 3 weeks is the very minimum but the longer between the better. Gives your body enough time to produce something ?

Heard that on Fox Goldnut.

After a quick Google, I see they are recommending 28 day wait between shots for moderna now.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230678
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I have a very cynical attitude towards this Gov't and don't believe a word they say. I don't believe a person could sink any lower than our dipsxxt leader.

Having vented ,I believe I will take my shot in Apr. I am 75yrs old and on the offhand chance I get this covid and the affects on my body could be less I'll gamble this time.
You guys are right about the guinea pig thing.Imo

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230680
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Get the J&J one and done just a sore arm nothing more easier all around.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230687
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Jerry,I would have gone with the JandJ,but we pretty much had to go with what was available. As it is I am getting my Moderna in Wisconsin,every time I tried to get it lined up in Mn,everything was full. I was really surprised how well things went for my wife.With the way her health is,we expected the second Moderna to be real rough on her,but it wasn't.
Hippie,I think Moderna always recommended 28 days between shots.
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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230694
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I waited and the word got out that the local hospital received the J&J stuff it worked out luckily for me that way. The wife got the Maderna the first chance she had Iím just saying get what you can if needed, I waited because Iím out trapping little contact with people where Iím trapping.

I have no problem with the ones not getting the shots their choice itís just to bad they have problems with the ones getting the shots. LOL


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7230703
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Originally Posted by Boco
Relax I'm just starting another conspiracy theory to see how far it will go.


U didn't tell them it was the buttons around yr belly!! laugh


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230706
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If waiting a bit longer for my second shot means more people can get their first shot and my immune response will be stronger,as per the NCI reccomendations I am all for it-a good call on their part.
Unlike a lot of people I am not scared of anything.

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