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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230595
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Mine were 4 weeks apart.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: bowhunter27295] #7230620
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I don't see anything about strengthening DNA ether. Me and my wife both got our Moderna shots, they were spaced two weeks apart.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7230623
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Originally Posted by Boco
According to known data on other vaccines,longer time(within reason) between the initial shot and the booster produces a stronger immune response in the long run.

What "other" vaccines ? What is within reason?
I'd make the argument according to data most "Other" vaccines need a booster in 3 to 6 weeks at that point a booster every 1,5 or 10 yrs should suffice. If the 2nd shot isn't given within that time frame most "other" vaccines require the initial series to be restarted according to data.
Prior to 3 week I'll give it you.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: teepee2] #7230624
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Originally Posted by teepee2
I don't see anything about strengthening DNA ether. Me and my wife both got our Moderna shots, they were spaced two weeks apart.

What's this about strengthening DNA? That's not how the vaccines work.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230626
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So basically Canada is going against what the limited studies have shown and are giving a little extra in the first dose and hoping and praying it works out good for them?


I'm ok with being a guinea pig for this by going by what the studies have shown so far. I've been one before. If it can help with the actual implementation and gather real data (good or bad causes) then I'm all for it. I'm not afraid of it. I told my wife that if I die or go into some sort of coma, or the like within 4 months of the second shot then give me to science to figure out what the heck they can do better.

I wouldn't do what Canada want me to do though.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: SNIPERB🦝] #7230628
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝

What's this about strengthening DNA? That's not how the vaccines work.


This is what Boco said earlier.
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I feel great after the first shot a week ago-cant wait to get the second one-its supposed to strengthen your DNA.
Only thing I noticed when I got mad the other day my skin took on a green tinge and a couple buttons popped on my shirt.


Not sure where he is getting that info though.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230646
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One would hope he meant "strengthen the immune system". You can strengthen and train your immune system. You cant "strengthen" DNA. Modify or damage it, certainly but not strengthen it. It's fairly fragile but you can't strengthen it.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230658
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So much info... everyone following their own ideas


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230661
03/30/21 08:47 AM
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So many ideas you should of said some cannot even understand the basic ideas. LOL


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7230671
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Originally Posted by Boco
According to known data on other vaccines,longer time(within reason) between the initial shot and the booster produces a stronger immune response in the long run.



Listened to a spokesman from maderna say the same. His statement was 3 weeks is the very minimum but the longer between the better. Gives your body enough time to produce something ?

Heard that on Fox Goldnut.

After a quick Google, I see they are recommending 28 day wait between shots for moderna now.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230678
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I have a very cynical attitude towards this Gov't and don't believe a word they say. I don't believe a person could sink any lower than our dipsxxt leader.

Having vented ,I believe I will take my shot in Apr. I am 75yrs old and on the offhand chance I get this covid and the affects on my body could be less I'll gamble this time.
You guys are right about the guinea pig thing.Imo

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230680
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Get the J&J one and done just a sore arm nothing more easier all around.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230687
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Jerry,I would have gone with the JandJ,but we pretty much had to go with what was available. As it is I am getting my Moderna in Wisconsin,every time I tried to get it lined up in Mn,everything was full. I was really surprised how well things went for my wife.With the way her health is,we expected the second Moderna to be real rough on her,but it wasn't.
Hippie,I think Moderna always recommended 28 days between shots.
Tom


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230694
03/30/21 09:34 AM
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I waited and the word got out that the local hospital received the J&J stuff it worked out luckily for me that way. The wife got the Maderna the first chance she had I’m just saying get what you can if needed, I waited because I’m out trapping little contact with people where I’m trapping.

I have no problem with the ones not getting the shots their choice it’s just to bad they have problems with the ones getting the shots. LOL


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7230703
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Originally Posted by Boco
Relax I'm just starting another conspiracy theory to see how far it will go.


U didn't tell them it was the buttons around yr belly!! laugh


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230706
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If waiting a bit longer for my second shot means more people can get their first shot and my immune response will be stronger,as per the NCI reccomendations I am all for it-a good call on their part.
Unlike a lot of people I am not scared of anything.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230726
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BOCO you guys shoulda just listened to reason in 1812 then you wouldn't be under crazy lockdown and vaccine health care rationing. Well unless you ended up in Michigan or California.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Bogmaster] #7230727
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Originally Posted by Bogmaster
Jerry,I would have gone with the JandJ,but we pretty much had to go with what was available. As it is I am getting my Moderna in Wisconsin,every time I tried to get it lined up in Mn,everything was full. I was really surprised how well things went for my wife.With the way her health is,we expected the second Moderna to be real rough on her,but it wasn't.
Hippie,I think Moderna always recommended 28 days between shots.
Tom


Didn't know that, thanks Bog.

I think certain people should get it, while for myself I'm gonna hold off a year or more simply because I think I could shake it (covid) if I did get it and the vaccine hasn't been tested for any period of time for side effects. If I was in the danger category, I'd get a shot.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7230748
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Originally Posted by Boco
If waiting a bit longer for my second shot means more people can get their first shot and my immune response will be stronger,as per the NCI reccomendations I am all for it-a good call on their part.
Unlike a lot of people I am not scared of anything.


You mean unlike most liberals who listen to the main left media that are scared of their own shadow right? It has not even been four months for them to collect the data but you are fine with what your gov. will tell you?

When you say things that cannot be backed up by any science but you tell everyone what you want them to know to control them that is propaganda. Sorry to break that to you but you are blindly following people who admittedly do not know and have continually been wrong in the past on this virus. LLL


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Vaccination in Israel: Challenging mortality figures?
Analysis by infectious disease specialist claims mismatch between data published by authorities and reality on the ground.
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Mordechai Sones , Feb 18 , 2021 8:47 AM
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A front-page article appeared in the FranceSoir newspaper about findings on the Nakim website regarding what some experts are calling "the high mortality caused by the vaccine."

The paper interviews Aix-Marseille University Faculty of Medicine Emerging Infectious and Tropical Diseases Unit's Dr. Hervé Seligmann and engineer Haim Yativ about their research and data analysis. They claim that Pfizer's shot causes "mortality hundreds of times greater in young people compared to mortality from coronavirus without the vaccine, and dozens of times more in the elderly, when the documented mortality from coronavirus is in the vicinity of the vaccine dose, thus adding greater mortality from heart attack, stroke, etc."

Dr Hervé Seligmann works at the Emerging Infectious and Tropical Diseases Research Unit, Faculty of Medicine, Aix-Marseille University, Marseille, France. He is of Israeli-Luxembourg nationality. He has a B. Sc. In Biology from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and has written over 100 scientific publications.


FranceSoir writes that they follow publications, data analyzes, and feedback from various countries on vaccination, and have therefore taken an interest in the Nakim article, asking to interview them in order to understand their analysis and its limitations.

The authors of the article declare they have no conflicts or interests other than having children in Israel.

After a presentation, the authors discussed their data analysis, the validations carried out, limitations, and above all, their conclusions that they compare with data received via a Health Ministry Freedom of Information Act request.

Their findings are:

There is a mismatch between the data published by the authorities and the reality on the ground.
They have three sources of information, besides the emails and adverse event reports they receive through the Internet. These three sources are Israeli news site Ynet, the Israeli Health Ministry database, and the U.S. federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database.
In January 2021, there were 3,000 records of vaccine adverse events, including 2,900 for mRNA vaccines.
Compared to other years, mortality is 40 times higher.
On February 11, a Ynet article presented data related to vaccination. The authors of the Nakim article claim to have debunked this analysis based on data published by Ynet itself: “We took the data by looking at mortality during the vaccination period, which spans 5 weeks. By analyzing these data, we arrived at startling figures that attribute significant mortality to the vaccine."
The authors say “vaccinations have caused more deaths than the coronavirus would have caused during the same period."
Haim Yativ and Dr. Seligmann declare that for them, "this is a new Holocaust," in face of Israeli authority pressure to vaccinate citizens.
They also invite specialists to complete their analyses, and intend to pursue legal follow-up to their discovery. The Health Ministry was not available for comment on a FranceSoir query regarding the findings.

The authors also deplored "the fact of not being able to communicate on this vital information" to their fellow citizens.

On their site, Nakim writes: "On February 11, 2021, Ynet (the most known Israeli News website) published a confused and confusing article entitled 'Vaccination efficiency data in Israel, and its rapid effects on the young'.

"Our reanalyses of these data explain why during the massive vaccination project initiated mid-December 2020 during a confinement, daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases failed to decrease as they do during confinements, and, more importantly, why numbers of serious, critical, and death cases increased during that period that covered at least one month. From mid-December to mid-February (two months), 2,337 among all Israeli 5,351 official COVID-deaths occurred. Our analyses indicate orders of magnitude increases in deaths rates during the 5-week long vaccination process, as compared to the unvaccinated and those after completing the vaccination process. Presumably, asymptomatic cases before vaccination, and those infected shortly after the 1st dose, tend to develop graver symptoms than those unvaccinated.

"The Ynet article is organized in an exciting way and uses data provided in an erroneous way by the Ministry of Health. It is unclear whether this was intentional to prove the vaccine's efficiency or if this was done erroneously because the provided data were misunderstood. Note that in Israel, all vaccines are from Pfizer.

"The data in the table, rather than indicating the vaccine efficacy, indicate the vaccine's adverse effects," the authors conclude.

Sources:

http://www.nakim.org/israel-forums/viewtopic.php?t=270812

https://www.francesoir.fr/videos-de...fres-de-mortalite-qui-interpellent-video


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