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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine
[Re: Bogmaster]
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05/20/21 11:49 PM
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Here again,do some searching ,almost allvaccines use fetal cells that are grown in a lab. The batch was started over 50 years ago,and is in use today.
Natural abortions happen every day--via miscarriages and tubular pregnancies. So the belief that babies are being aborted for the making of vaccines is ludicrous.
Tom
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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05/21/21 12:08 AM
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Here's where I found a definition of vaccine.... https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/vaccine-safety-j-j-vaccineWhat are vaccines?
A vaccine is a biological preparation designed to provide our body with active immunity to particular infectious pathogens when appropriately administered.
Vaccines stimulate immune responses and build immunological memory. Once we've received a vaccine, our body's immune system can recall a specific pathogen's identity, even years later, and effectively fight the pathogen.
You can learn more about how vaccines work, ingredients in vaccines, and general comments about their safety in our previous blog posts
This is why I went with the J&J. This technology isn't new and experimental, it's been around and used successfully since the 70's. Unlike the other two vaccines available, the newest vaccine by Janssen (J&J) does not use the latest mRNA technology to build our system’s immunity. Rather, the J&J vaccines use a more traditional mechanism to trigger an immune response.
The J&J vaccine is a recombinant vaccine (1,2). It contains a safe adenovirus vector that has been engineered to make a harmless to us version of the spike protein found on the SARS-CoV-2 virus. By doing so, it serves as a dummy to train our immune system to better combat the SARS-CoV-2 virus (1).
As we know, once a virus enters a host (our body), the protein binds to the host's healthy cells, facilitating the entry of viral RNA into host cells and forces the healthy cells to produce copies of the virus. When this occurs, we have an infection.
Once we're infected, our body's white blood cells multiply to stop the virus, but that takes time (1). While most healthy individuals successfully fight off the SARS-CoV-2 virus infection, many individuals with underlying health concerns cannot fight off the infection, causing them to succumb to the disease.
We know our body’s immune system can destroy the virus if given enough time. The J&J vaccine primes our body to respond more effectively by expanding those immune cells (white blood cells) that can recognize and then destroy the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Unlike the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, the J&J vaccine does not use mRNA. Instead, it uses an adenovirus vector to get the needed instructions to our cells.
The adenovirus vector is essentially a harmless cold virus that cannot replicate itself in our body nor can it cause disease. Therefore, it has been used as a platform for a variety of vaccines. Its safety has been demonstrated by several clinical studies with more than 100,000 participants (1).
The adenovirus vector in the J&J vaccine has been engineered to make a harmless-to-us piece of protein that’s the same as the protein present in the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The protein then teaches our immune cells to identify and combat the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Next, our body’s immune system will recognize the protein as foreign (i.e., doesn’t belong to us) and develop an immune response including antibodies that bind to the protein and eliminate the pathogen. As we’ve covered in a prior post, our body’s immune system remembers how to fight and eliminate unwanted pathogens.
Now that our body’s immune system has been trained and remembers how to identify the protein found on the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19, if we are exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, our body will effectively produce antibodies that can binds to the protein on the SARS-CoV-2 virus and eliminate the virus thus protecting us from the virus (1).
I believe the Russian vaccine is also similar to the J&J. If I were to take one, it would be one of the two.
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine
[Re: Bogmaster]
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05/21/21 12:43 AM
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Here again,do some searching ,almost allvaccines use fetal cells that are grown in a lab. The batch was started over 50 years ago,and is in use today.
Natural abortions happen every day--via miscarriages and tubular pregnancies. So the belief that babies are being aborted for the making of vaccines is ludicrous.
Tom No, the belief is not that babies are being killed for the purpose of making vaccines. The moral dilemma is that it is very possible to make the same vaccines without aborted fetus tissue, it just costs more. Many are not comfortable using a bi-product that is or was sourced from willful abortions. That's not the same at all as harvesting usable organs or tissue from a cadaver. Nor is a miscarriage the same thing as an abortion.
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine
[Re: Bogmaster]
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05/21/21 02:51 AM
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An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. A miscarriage is considered a spontaneous abortion. So a miscarriage is a form of abortion.
Tom
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine
[Re: Bogmaster]
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05/21/21 03:12 AM
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An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. A miscarriage is considered a spontaneous abortion. So a miscarriage is a form of abortion.
Tom Most people understand the difference between the removal of a living viable fetus and the removal of dead fetal tissue. Margaret Sanger would be proud after reading your post.
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine
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05/21/21 09:26 AM
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I went to my chiropractor today. He told me he has several doctor MD friends who will not give the experimental vaccine. Are those doctor's kooks or are they cautious and truly concerned for the well being of their patients?
Why are people stupid or cowards to say no to getting the experimental vaccine? If you don't fuel a hypercondriacs paranoia you are a kook.
Give an illegal alien a fish and he eats for a day. Deport him and you never have to feed him ever again!
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine
[Re: Bogmaster]
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05/21/21 09:50 AM
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I guess I can't see that there was a pandemic. Every acted like it was the end of the world, but we had no more deaths than normal. Even with them trying to kill people. Why else would you put a positive person back in a nursing home? If they were not trying to push up the numbers, what were they doing? How many people did they put on the Navy ship Trump moved to NY? Zero. None of it adds up if you stop and think just a little. Everything that people normally died of numbers are way down. Go to the Vaers web site and look at the side effects of the so called Vaccine. If you think the vaccine is your saving grace, I hope it is. I just can not see what the panic was, other than the media told you too.
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine
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05/21/21 09:58 AM
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Today I googled if there was a vaccine for poison ivy. I have it all over my body right now, and I’m sick of it! Every single year!!
Poison ivy isn’t even flourishing yet, but I still got it from the “dead” plants that are laying down on the ground all over the place. Lucky me!
Well, turns out they are still working on the poison ivy vaccine. 29 years so far!!!!! Whoever finalizes the vaccine and makes it available to the public says more testing is still needed.
A rushed vaccine that is being HEAVILY pushed on us definitely makes me think twice about it. I’ll pass on the Covid vaccine until they tie me down and force it in me.
Once they untie me, look out! Get some Technu.
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine
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05/21/21 10:47 AM
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We had way more deaths than normal. Ask your local funeral home. We had so many deaths that life expectancy in America actually dropped one whole year. This can only happen when younger people die before normal life expectancy is reached. Fact check: False-no more people died last yr in US than normally do ~3million.
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine
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05/21/21 11:05 AM
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We had way more deaths than normal. Ask your local funeral home. We had so many deaths that life expectancy in America actually dropped one whole year. This can only happen when younger people die before normal life expectancy is reached. Fact check: False-no more people died last yr in US than normally do ~3million. Deaths from all causes 2019: 2.854,838 Deaths from all causes 2020; 3,387,864 From CDC as on 5/21/21 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine
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05/21/21 11:16 AM
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White-dont ya know the CDC is a bunch of lyin commie pinkos-aint nobody got time for dat place.
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine
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05/21/21 01:04 PM
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With two weeks left in 2020, the CDC had the death count behind 2019 and was reported as such in many papers.
that I know and was following. Now all of a sudden we are precisely the number needed to confirm their covid deaths.
(CDC did state that the final number wouldn't be arrived at for several months)
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