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Marine Lt. Col. is jailed #7366207
09/28/21 08:50 AM
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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366224
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Time for citizens to declare war on the system.


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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7366230
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Time for citizens to declare war on the system.

For what? In the military you can not bad mouth you superiors. He was in the wrong, even though what he said was true.


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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: MJM] #7366235
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Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Time for citizens to declare war on the system.

For what? In the military you can not bad mouth you superiors.


Really? Do you think there was any “bad mouthing” happening in a phone call to china?


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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366248
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Like I said he was in the wrong. You can not bad mouth you superiors, and disobeying orders is a crime in the military. It has nothing to do with a phone call to China.
"Scheller first rose to internet stardom by posting a video to Facebook blasting military leaders for the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, questioning their command decisions on the events leading up to and during the final evacuation effort.
Scheller would go on to release several more videos, generating praise and controversy while drawing the ire of military leadership. Eventually, he was told by superiors to stop posting to social media altogether, an order he immediately ignored by posting about the gag order."


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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366254
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10-4. Thanks.


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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366281
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The military commanders badmouthing their CIC faced no backlash when Trump was Pres.


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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366284
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He was forcing them to lock him up. By going on social media after he was ordered not too everyone knew it happened.
The officer also seemingly realized that last post could result in his trip to the brig.

"What happens when all you do is speak truth and no one wants to hear it. But they can probably stop listening because… I’m crazy… right?" Scheller wrote at the end of the post. "Col Emmel please have the MPs waiting for me at 0800 on Monday. I’m ready for jail."


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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366288
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They should have Gary. Trump bringing them up on charges would have just given media more fodder. That colonel was well aware he could say anything in private but public comments, especially in uniform, violate UCMJ.

I feel for the man. I get his frustration. He knew he would be arrested. Took a lot of courage.


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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366316
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It sounds to me like LTC Scheller has made a very hard decision to force a truth as defense scenario knowing he will lose.
He knowingly violated a direct order but I hope in the fallout the truth will be put on the record.

Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366317
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The record keepers are the ones jailing him. Good luck with getting the truth on record.


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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7366345
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
The record keepers are the ones jailing him. Good luck with getting the truth on record.


Exactly

The UCMJ does not lend itself well to trial in the court of public opinion.

IMO, but his, and our, only slim hope is for a honest assessment by a military jury of his peers. Win, lose or draw it may very well boil down in the long term just what his fellow field grade commanders decide if not now at the court martial but in the future when orders come down from the politicized general staff.

Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366349
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But our military industrial complex is a durable institution and I don't hold out much hope.

They've court martialed many others like Scheller in the past. COL David Hackworth and GEN Billy Mitchell come to mind.

Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: Gary Benson] #7366361
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
The military commanders badmouthing their CIC faced no backlash when Trump was Pres.


BINGO!!!

THEY EVEN CONSPIRED TO TAKE THE NUCLEAR FOOTBALL FROM HIM.

Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366365
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Maybe when armed forces personnel take off their uniform the oath they took isn't enforceable?


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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366367
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Quietly passed, a gun confiscation red flag law that will allow the military to take his guns.

https://www.commdiginews.com/politi...bipartisan-red-flag-law-dc-trust-140390/

Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366390
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OK, guys I will put my 2 cents worth in, but I'm biased. I don't know what has happened to taking a oath, when your drafted or volunteerly sign up.
But, this guy took that oath, to obey his superiors. (You can refuse a direct order if it is illegal order), but you better have your ducks in a row if your going to do it. If he wants to spout off then he should have resigned his commission, then spout off all he wanted. Dissent in the military by it's officers, is not condusive to good military order.
If he was in my command, I would have had him in the office, heels locked, and ripped him up one side and down the other, until all of my frustrations was gone.
Now this guy has got to think if what he did was worth it, his military career is over, he faces possible court marshall, loss of his rank, loss of his retirement benefits, and a possible dishonorable discharge.

Now I don't like what took place, and I think it was wrong and really screwed up the way it was handled and say it out loud because I'm no longer in the military.


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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366425
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He was quitting so he was willing to give up his retirement....the dumb fool likes freedom more than money which is why many people think he is nuts.


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Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: Marty] #7366448
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Originally Posted by Marty
He was quitting so he was willing to give up his retirement....the dumb fool likes freedom more than money which is why many people think he is nuts.


Yep, people will sell their freedom for money. Ya gotta commend someone who will put his morals above money.

Re: Marine Lt. Col. is jailed [Re: corky] #7366451
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