I notice Minnesota has these for sale now. Anybody have any experience with them?

I don't have any experience with the new ones.I had some experience with the "trap bait" models.I didn't have any success with them,but,I honestly don't think I gave them a fair chance to prove themselves.There's a learning curve when using them I had to learn the hard way.1.Their not waterproof.I put mine out in December here in upper Michigan and a blizzard put snow into the speaker,which began producing all sorts of strange sounds.2.Sub zero temps sap alot of energy out of the batteries.In our weather we have alot of below zero temps so you have to watch the batteries in that kind of weather.In one of Charles Dobbins books he shows cutting off the wide end of a 2 liter pop bottle and setting the squeaker inside and wiring the bottle length ways to a branch over the set.This would protect it from the snow and probably amplify the squeaking.

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.

I see where they advertise it for fox and coyotes,I'm sure it would work to some degree on them,but I think they'd do alot better with cats.I also believe Charles Robbins way of putting them in a 2 liter pop bottle would help it immensly

That is exactly what I'm thinking....cats.

I used to have several different kinds of squeakers. I bought them to attract cats, but found they worked well for coyotes if the set was 20 or 30 feet away from the squeaker. I never had a coyote stick his nose to one. Cats on the other hand had no such problem. I probably caught the most cats with the squeaker in a hollow log, with a trap in front. Wet weather was hard on all the squeakers I had.

Same experience with otters Paul. Tracks would show them running back and forth about 10 feet away from the squeaker but that was a s close as they would get to it.

I used them years ago for coyote and fox. They got the animals in the area so they could find the trap. I placed them 50 to 100 feet from the trap. They did call in cats and I put them in a plastic bag to keep them out of the weather.

I pulled the trigger on a set of six. They are different than the squeakers I've tried in the past in that they are barely audible to us humans. That may serve well to get critters up closer to them without spooking. They may not pull in predators from longer distances though.

My units now have volume adjustment for when lower sounds are needed, helps with some targets,
Have not seen any other units out yet with this !
Never heard of this unit till reading about them here !

These are "cheap O" little units. No volume control..it's all low volume squeaks for 10 seconds and then quiet for ten. There is an on switch, but after that you have to pull out the batteries to stop it. Supposed to run about 10 days on 2 AAA alkalines.

So has anyone used the new Miranda Kill Squeaks? I picked up a half dozen with my most recent Minnesota order and planning to test them when I start setting next weekend. Curious if anyone has any feedback. The packaging doesn’t mention whether or not they are water resistant. I was thinking I should probably put it in a little ziplock and just drop it in the dirt hole but would rather skip the ziplock if not needed.

Keep us posted on results.

What about using them when calling in predators to shoot?

I had thought about that senior but I think they're maybe a little too low volume unless you get one to within a few feet. And then your fresh scent is likely to spook.

Just squeak them in with your hand .

Squeakers have been around for 40+ years. I think there is a reason the come and go. Maybe the advanced technology will help them.

Love to try these but no legal here in MT

Anyone tried them yet?

DT some one is using squeakers in your state and a lot of them, I sale mine to folks there every year !

The ones made by GritGuy work well. I have 6 of them. I use them nearby...not right at the trap. Logging road intersection turns, field and food plot edges, etc. Put up on low tree limb and gang set around it. Use feathers and fur at sets. Bcat killer!.....and grey fox killer.

The kill squeaks work. As mentioned are murder on bcats. I place the squeaker in a clump of sumac or low thick brush an put walk thru style sets on both sides of the brush patch. Caught 5 out of 7 cats on one property with squeakers. Battery life is about 10-14 days on 2 aaa. Had some frigid temps last season an they still performed well

Tom makes good units. I recommend his.

Yes they work great on cats and fox. Caught 3 cats in three nights in the same set and trap. I just tape mine on a limb above the set somewhat. Had pics of a grey on the opposite side of the 2-track stop, and stand for about 3 pics, then came in to get caught.
Never had any issues with mine. On/off switch worked fine. I’d tape them with camo duct tape with the speaker side down and they survived extremely wet conditions and still work. Batteries last about 2 weeks or so. Even used one in a trench set with the hole up a little and parallel with the deck so it wouldn’t fill with water, caught more fox that way.
Even had a pic of owls swooping in when it was taped on the limb.
Now I used mine in conjunction with bait/lure and urine. They’d probably even work in a blind set situation.

I use baler wire to attach to a limb. Can slide the unit out and replace battery fairly easy. An good point wb,make sure to point the speaker opening down to keep the rain/snow from getting inside.

i wouldnt use them,Cats are easy enough to catch with conventional methods.

Ol' "I resist change" Boco.....

I dont try to fix what aint broke.
There is lots of money to be made from suckers though.

I got 6 and they all shut off within 48 hrs... push the switch and they're good for about 24 to 48 hrs and shut off again. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it. Could be a bad batch...I don't know but I'm not happy!

Boco, just cause you don't use them in your trapping does not mean others are suckers for using them.

I have way to many testimonials from non users who bought mine and have been repeat customers for years now.

This is funny. I picked one up at Bass Pro today while waiting in line to purchase a rifle. Logged on to see if any one had any recommendations on uses and the post was up. Tman is great. Eric

GritGuy where can we purchase one of your units. Thanks, Eric

Guess nobody here gets Trappers O
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If you do reas the article Major Boddicker had in the last issue. Sounds like he has done a lot of testing on different attractant.

I'm good with people trying stuff if they want,just giving my opinion.
I like to keep things natural and simple,was never a fan of gimmicky stuff.

I use sound call as a draw in many sets,but natural only.No need to buy or replace batterys.

Don't you get tired spending all night at the set puffing on that call?

LOL,the set provides long term attraction to the birds and microtines to provide the sound and vision.

Thats just it Boco, they are not gimmicks, sounds have proven the predators react and follow them, the units prove themselves

There are many different kinds all work to different degrees, they may be gimmicks to you, but to open minded people they have
a proven track record.

You probably should just stay to what you really can add a comment worth reading on, instead of something you feel so against, without trying them !

Listen-that is my opinion-respect it like I respect yours.
I dont care if people use them or not.
Seems like you do.

Boco , I respect your leather work and your trapping work, they have proven skill behind them, but when you knock something around you obviously know nothing about and call people suckers and the products gimmicks to voice an opinion, I will not respect that !
Yes I use them and many others do as well, far to many to be shooting your yapper off like you know anything at all about them !!

I have no skin in it.You do-you are pushing a product.
My opinion stands.Far to much gimmickry in the trapping biz.
I repeat-I dont care who uses gimmicks-but you do.
I have absolutely nothing to sell on here.

Boco, your really something, I'm not here to sell I'm trying to explain your incessant rant is not about gimmicks it's about your lack of knowledge of a use.

That's all, people know here I sell I'm not advertising been here a lot lot longer than you and seen many others like you fall on their face as well about things they don't understand yet think they do.

Carry on with your opinion, you deserve it, you are old school, no problems !

Your just perturbed because you sell them,and dont like an honest opinion.You dont need gimmicky stuff like that to pile up fur.
Carry on.

I had spare money and was just playing around when I bought them. I figured a camera would be cool to have on them. I was really surprised with the catches and even more so with the birds of prey that the camera would catch swooping in to the limbs they were attached to.
Even better than that was when I went in deer hunting and saw a cat in the trap and text the manager to take his son to dispatch it He dispatched the cat and spent the next 5 minutes looking for the “squeak”. About the time he’d get close it would shut off. He’d start walking away and it would start up again, lol. He thought it was hilarious once he found the source of the sound.

Yea guess I am perturbed because of a guy who says he mouth calls to attract animals then has no good words about squeakers that increase catches and calls them gimmicks LOL

This has nothing to do about me selling them I never advertise here and when things like this come yea I get hits but thats not my intention to do so.

My intention was to try and educate on the use of them that they are not gimmicks, no more than any other improvement with trapping that comes along.

Your opinion maybe an honest one but it's not an educated one, there is a lot of difference.

They can pile up fur when used correctly a whole lot faster than just trying to move over hill and dell setting, you eliminate
quite a bit of that foot work or travels when you bring the animals to you instead of you going half way to them.

But each his own, you are correct they are not for old timers set in their ways thinking they can do more without when time is the essence of one's use, they do prove themselves, of course you can't argue that point because you don't know any better !

LOL,shows how much you know,I never said I mouth call fur,lol.
We use sets that provide natural sound call.

And yes they are gimmicks.
Sight and sound is a huge attractor but you sure dont need to buy a contraption to provide it.

7,500 views-you should send me a royalty cheque for all the orders your gonna get.

But if the contraption is easier to use than hauling in a bunch of bait why not?
One thing I'll give you Boco, u have no back down in u. You will keep fighting a point even if u know you've lost.

Lost?lol.
Like I said I am not selling anything.
Buy up a couple dozen of them.

If I do and they work good are they still a gimmick

Indeed.
Keeping things simple and natural is the key to it.
Those that try to make things complicated or dependent on some secret thing are trying to market something.
You know-Trap the trapper.

If you look at it like Boco is suggesting anything we use in trapping other than our bare hands to catch critters is a gimmick.

Have at it man-make it as complicated and as mysterious as you wish.

From my standpoint the truth runs somewhere down the middle on this argument.

I'm not a fan of gimmicky trap sets either. You waste time and effort when the tried and true does the trick. You will notice that long liners who stack up big numbers rarely go to "gimmicky" type sets. They use tried and true, time conserving sets that produce fur on a consistent basis.

Now, is there a place for squeakers? I say yes there is. I don't go that route often, but have used them successfully on otters where I wanted to induce an otter to go where he normally might not and where the regular blind-set pinch points were not available to me. I have not tried them on bobcat "jackpot" sets but could see how you might pick up extra cats this way when your other sets get plugged by less desirable critters ie: possum, coon.

Therefore, I declare this argument..... a draw.

Do a test! One squeaker vs One beaver carcass. See which one pulls in the most wildlife? We all know the beaver carcass will Win! I'm going to side with Boco on this one. I am not saying the Squeaker wont pull animals in, It Will. I have called in way too many coyotes to say good sounds do not work. The Sound of a dead cow will call way more coyote's then a squeaker.

You do realize we’re still using bait/lure/urine with a squeaker, right? Or at least I am. A squeaker just helps that set on the South side of a two track when there’s a North wind.

Yes I understand Completely! And so does Boco!

Well let me add this then, not everyone has a dead cow or beaver carcass lying around so the squeaker helps. As far as calling in, I’m guessing some have never heard one of these. It’s not exactly a long distance call, unless distance is measured in centimeters, lol.

Don't take this wrong, but most good trapper's have plenty of carcasses to work with? Have some fun with the Squeaker!!! Find some good uses for it.

If they work good for you they are not a gimmick

I used them years back and they said at that time they were illegal in MN. Never had much luck with them

Got an antique Big Ben alarm clock that can be heard from 40 yards lol.

It's a lure. Trappers buy lure of all types to stimulate an animal. Trappers experiment with and test all sorts of items to attract fur bearers. Asafoetida or civet musk a natural prey item where you trap or is it a gimmick? Anybody ever used a predator lure with castor in an area with no beaver around? All I know is they work well as an additive in a scent based lure. Squeaker calls work, too, they just appeal to a different sense. Simply another lure option.

I really don't understand the gimmick comment, as trappers for years have been trying to use what ever to increase their catch rate !

For the most part that had to deal with eyes and nose, they ignore the ears as there was not much way to help them out with that area.

Squeakers got developed late in the seventy's and really progress on from there, I use them really heavy in the 80's until the boom died out and my last one was stolen at a cat set. I decide to develop my own, and came up with something ., asked for volunteers here to test it for me for a whole season. They all gave me great input on my first model. Sold it for years until parts went obsolete.

Then went into the digital mode and have since changed my current model three times. It works, it sell's to three different class of users, trappers, researcher's and biologist's wanting to shorten their waiting time for seeing or taking animals, and trail camera
users who have found that it shortens their time in the field and they do not have to work to find a certain area to set the cameras.

Why trappers have this idea that hearing is not a scent to use against predators for catching them really escapes me, for all the knowledge they put into scent's and bait to bring them in and always fighting to decide which way the wind blows, whether this scent is good on hot days or cold days, when hearing is used all the time just like the nose is, but hearing has a longer range, sight comes into play rarely as a first element in location, but is also used after the animal commits to hearing or scent.

They work I have no doubt in my mind they help with larger catches especially when gang setting an area, they shorten the time for waiting to have your trap visited as well. I make no remarks about a squeaker will catch the critter your sets still have to be made, the units bring the animal to the area and hold them longer for them to investigate further, they tip their caution down as well while concentrating on the noise, which also helps in catching them, they are more likely to concentrate on the noise when close then where they are stepping. I have to many testimonials from first time users and those who have used others before saying they shorten the catch time which gives them more time in the field for other catches and increases catches where used in gang sets, all this equals a great check when prices when all is said and done.

If you don't want to use them fine with me, I never tried to hog tie one up and force one into a persons hands, but they are no more a gimmick than some fancy made lure or bait that has never been there until some one tries it the first time, some way to hold a trap on a perch or any type of anchor made on trail runs you don't want messed up with a catch, some way to hold a snare up.

I don’t trap cows and rarely beaver. Actually there’s quite a few on here that are land trappers only and that probably doesn’t include cows.
Y’all have to remember, just because it’s a certain way where you trap, doesn’t mean everyone else has the same type of trapping geography, lol. Broaden your thinking.

Squeak!!!!!

Now it makes more sense-You dont just sell them,you make them.
Got it.

Boco is real near sighted and if it doesn't happen near him it is BS. I have see him tell people from the deep south how to tap a beaver through the ice. But it was froze up where he lives.

Bozo, you just can't leave well enough alone can ya ? You remind so much of BW it's really incredible !

Never thought he could have a dobble ganger, but here you are !!

I read people on here from the south telling how to trap beaver.Although it is not relevant to me I dont call it bs,unless it is bs.
You are full of BS saying that.

The biggest gimmick to come out in recent years in my opinion is the dog proof trap. I don't use them to avoid dogs. I use them because I can make 5-10 times more sets than footholds in the same amount of time. It is a numbers game. Do I have coons walking by without getting caught? Absolutely, but sooner or later those few will be hungry when they come along the 5-10 times more traps that I have set.

Now you have to resort to calling names like a petulent child,no surprise there.


GIMMICK.

B, how's that you can finish it, lol it's nothing I have not heard others call ya, in fact it is a lot nicer, so I'm not the first, just a continued user, and you don't resort to name calling, really !!

We are all really just children, some younger than others is all !

My perspective might be a bit different if I trapped in an area with a high cat density and a lengthy season open to trapping them with a generous catch limit... say Canada for instance. I'm allowed ONE per season due to low density cat numbers with a season duration that was just adjusted this year to 20 days - used to be only 10. Low density plus short season equals using every option available to me to draw in a cat. Squeakers are included in a few of the sets along with some old somewhat gimmicky CD discs hung up for a visual attractant. I even use canning lids. I refuse to use the glittery tinsel stuff - too gimmicky. LOL

Use whatever tool is available to get the job done in whatever circumstances you're faced with.

GWGjr,, you covered it very well with your last sentence, thats what it's really about when you are serious !

He posts picture trapping beaver in open water, just like they do in the south and it is not relevant, some how. You will never see a guy in the south posting pictures of ice trapping beaver.

Why are so many interested then?

Ok start again I refilled my popcorn.

I know that someone who never tries new things never improves.

I bet the first guy that walked into the cave with a bow was told it was a gimmick and not needed to take the wooly mammoth. I even bet a lot of the dog sled guys thought the snow machine was an ineffective gimmick for a real trapper.

I say Boco and Gritguy are actually secret best friends and worked out this fake argument to increase Grit's squeaker sales....

Boco is a loyal friend to be such a knuckle head for a friend lol

You all just can't stand the thought of Boco being Right? lol

I'll stick with roosters.

When they quit working, I can eat them.

Squeaker quits working, I have to throw it away.

Wanton waste.

No more than Boco can stand the thought that he might be wrong

Yes Sir, You like to test lures/baits. Do a fair test on the noise box! Test it alone, not at a four way hot spot loaded with sign. Put it maybe 50yds. down wind and see how it works? you know test the sound!

Mark
I'm looking into it. A good friend that tests quite a bit of stuff has a squeaker out now testing it. Going to try and start making some YouTube (with my boys technical assistance)showing some of my testing and maybe I'll do one on squeakers too.

There's a guy over here that's been working one up for years.
He doesn't come on here much...

Now taking sealed bids on the Big Ben lol

Yes Sir, That's Great. Nothing beats real impartial testing.

I am seldom wrong-you all know that.

No,I am not too mechanically inclined.
And I never rode a horse.

If legal in Wi, I might try 1 of these for bobcat

What kinda set up do you use? Guessing feathers n stuff but what about noise?

I bet he does use feathers.

Notice one of Gritguy's squeekers ( gimmick) in the tree above the cat.

We ran five of them in Maine Lynx Exclusion Boxes for close to three weeks in November. Caught 40 some animals (Marten/Fishers) with about 80 sets. No animals were caught where we deployed squeakers & we set them on the better locations. All I know for sure is "never again".

Yeah, 3 bobcats in the same exact trap three nights in a row. Taped the squeaker to a pine limb about 5-10ft behind the set. I believe it peaked curiosity which lead them to finding the set. It was raining so I just used a Pipe Dream Set to keep them functional.

I can say this after about 100 trap night with the MN $11.67 squeakers. No catches after setting there almost three weeks on some of my better locations. All were dead when pulled & no animals were caught with them.
NEVER AGAIN. When running 100 sets the squeaker cost would be $1166.67 My comments apply to marten, fisher & weasel trapping.

To be clear on brands, your use was not with my units !

We ran five of them in Maine Lynx Exclusion Boxes for close to three weeks in November. Caught 40 some animals (Marten/Fishers) with about 80 sets. No animals were caught where we deployed squeakers & we set them on the better locations. All I know for sure is "never again".
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I can say this after about 100 trap night with the MN $11.67 squeakers. No catches after setting there almost three weeks on some of my better locations. All were dead when pulled & no animals were caught with them.
NEVER AGAIN. When running 100 sets the squeaker cost would be $1166.67 My comments apply to marten, fisher & weasel trapping.[/quote]

To be fair, they weren't advertised as attracting the animals you were pursuing.

To be clear Mr. Beaverpeeler asked for information about the MN Kill Squeak Trap Call. I stated my experience with said product. I caught nothing when using said product. Nothing includes fox, coyotes & bobcats. With snow cover it was easy to see that no animals approached said product. . As stated I was setting for fisher & marten. Fox, coyote & lynx are common where my traps were set. For some reason unknown to me , after three weeks, the squealers were dead and no animals had approached them. Your results may be different then mine. Hope that clears it up for those of you with reading comprehension issues.

All I need to get animals to the box is a good call lure on a good location. I have many dozens of photographs of fox, coyotes & lynx coming to boxes that had no squeaker.

If no animals approached in 3 weeks it sounds like there weren’t any animals to approach. Don’t think these were designed as a “catch all” type deal. You have to set on sign, for me that means seeing one cross the road of find scat. There aren’t many places I trap that even have sand or dirt 2-tracks. It’s like using a lure, except it’s “sound.” Don’t think you could just set a trap and throw a squeaker down and expect to catch anything that walks by. I use it in conjunction with bait/lure/urine. It’s just a little something that might either draw their attention or get them caught.

The squeakers Grit guy makes are pretty cool. I’ve put them in cubbies and have had coyotes and foxes stick their heads in. Mountain lions love them too.

Of course sets that had a squeaker, also had three different lures and a big hunk of meat bait. In the big woods where animals are not plentiful you need to set where they are going to go not where they have already been, unless you have two or three weeks to wait until they come back. Peeler asked for information concerning a particular squeaker. I did mention that only half of my sets caught animals. I was disappointed that the squeaker sets had no activity. I would think that at least one fox or coyote or lynx or fisher or marten or weasel would have at least approached a box that contained a squeaker. Also note that at lease 50% of my sets that did not catch animals had animals approach the set and not get caught. You guys are welcome to buy all of the squeaker you want. IMO, they are not needed if you have good attractors on good locations.

squeak all you want I will never buy a squeaker.

We can all agree that animals will come to a squeaker. What we will never know is if the squeaker helped.

I don't agree, quite to the contrary, I have testimonial vids and pictures from across the world, yes world, that predators and others will come into squeakers if the sound used is appropriate to the target, as well as not with sounds they have never heard
when used in an area that is or has been heavily called. Many without the use of scents or lures of any kind, from researchers trappers, and trail camera users who many don't even know how or where to attain any lures or scents.

Besides my own trials, and people who were instrumental in testing the units for a full season in different states and countries !

The major issue is that animals have to be able to hear the units, or in any unit made, and be in the range to hear them.

That's all end of story !

Why people can't get over using the animals ears, like they do the nose or eyes escapes me. Must be a mind game
that people can't get over, their ears are used just as much as the nose or eyes !

Some will continue to see this a mainly an advertisement, it is not meant that way, it is just simply education about using a different type of lure, SOUND !!

Asking for a friend, have you ever tested the MN Squeaker that was asked about. If you have how does the volume of your squeakers compare to the MN Squeaker?

Personally I have not, however my units have adjustable volume, and can be turned down to a hardly heard mouse squeak if necessary. They are also able to be turned back up to a volume exceeding any other squeakers out there, to my knowledge.
This gives them exceedingly longer range than other units, and we all know that predators hear much better than we do.

I've been told it does not have hardly any volume though.

I as a practice do not buy other units to test, I let others do that and decide which they wish to use !

I have several of GritGuy's older units. These have multiple sounds from loud squeaks to distressed bird. I like having option of setting them up at a good gang set location such as a 4-way looking road intersection or field edge or corner.

Ill sometime put one up about 5 to 7 days in...They will wake up a seemingly dead spot....

I’ve also used gritguys successfully at coyote baits

The days are short here during prime coyote snaring season and the bird action only happens during the day

GG unit comes on at night and is loud


I’ve seen Boco call Marty’s torsion spring system a “gimmick”

Then praise Canadian snaring innovation a couple of threads later

Land Sets and Trapping Techniques
This 184-page book by Charles Dobbins describes the red/gray fox, coyote, raccoon and bobcat, and the land sets that will take these animals. Also discussed are the tools for making these sets, electronic squeakers, freeze-proofing and much more.

I used kill springs on wolf snares since they first came out(amberg).Probably when Jones was still filling his diaper.
Not a gimmick like squeekers.

EB got it figured out.

Think I’ll make a set with nothing but a squeaker and see what happens this year. Squeakers work when you can only set on the South side of the road and have a predominantly N/NE wind. That squeak works them in where if they circle finding the sound they’ll smell the bait/lure/urine.

I use them just to get trail cam photos all the time. No bait. The bottom line is they aren’t that loud so if animal isn’t within earshot, nothing will work. When I set them on an obvious travel path, would I get a lion picture anyways? Sure would but I believe it’ll pull one in that may not be walking by the camera. I’m sure a chunk of beaver would work just as well over the sound but the squeakers are more fun.

Works on slightly smaller cats too. (Today's catch) Just like where's Waldo, find the "Gimmick "

Which squeaker are yours? I'm one of those suckered boco is talking about.

2nd cat today. Squeeker is 15ft from set and not in picture.