The greed factor and territorial response goes way up. I've seen both, it makes a huge difference in how coyotes react.
I also agree the thermal folks are the biggest reason we have less coyotes and I've found numerous deer with little bullet holes with their racks missing. I've had coyotes shot in my traps too. The DNR opened pandoras box when they allowed thermal and no season. But we can buy 10 doe tags, ya can't make this stuff up... A lot of the thermal callers kill so they feel like big men and toss them in the ditch, the DNR does nothing. If I did that to a deer, they'd go ballistic. Sorry for the rant

I've started saving yellow snow for late season coyotes, The urine I purchased from Keg Creek opened my eyes to the difference quality makes.

Who remembers when they used to 'make' fox urine with food coloring, ammonia, water and one other ingredient ?

Ain't it the truth !

Does anyone else notice a difference in deer issues when using fox urine vs coyote or bobcat urine? I don’t use fox urine anymore just for that reason.

I sure remember the synthetic "grocery store goods" made urine some years back. In fact, I know a fella that did it and told me about it. Why he did that I don't know, sure makes you lose faith in someone who you thought was a straight shooter.

COON CREEK TRAPPERS supply in Frills Corners, PA has fresh fox urine from penned animals. Try them if you're close

I have not noticed any difference with urine but I made a salted bait once from an old recipe and every trap around it was snapped by the deer, lol. Not my brightest moment. I will look more closely for deer issues with fox vs coyote or bobcat in the future though.

Seldom
Looking forward to your tests. It's kind of funny I was in the lure room tonight (before I seen your video), I was going to pour off some of the unfrozen urine on some of the coyote urine I collected this year. Anyway while out there I noticed some bobcat pee from a reputable (or at leasted I assumed they were) dealer that claims to collect it himself and claims it 100% pure pee that was as liquid as it can be at 10 degrees. Again no mention of antifreeze in description. Setting beside it was bobcat bladder urine I collected frozen as solid as can be. I'm going to put some I collected in front of a couple of cameras Saturday

Bringing up an older thread. So, who is willing to say who they trust when it comes to good urine?
Back in the 70's and early 80's there was a guy in Bradford, PA named Harry Judkins who kept a dozen or more red fox. I used to bring him over deer scraps, road kill, wood chucks I shot, etc. and he would give me urine. The only time I have ever smelled urine as good as that was when I sniffed a spot in the snow where a red fox had squirted. I could smell that from 10 feet away on a calm 10 below zero morning. I will say the urine I got from Bob Jamison is pretty darn close. If you ever see me in January out in the snow covered fields with a spoon and a jar, you'll know what I'm doing.

I remember visiting with Harry many years ago when I traveled to many of the conventions. I was a very young man back then probably in my early 30's. He knew who I was even though I had only been in the business for a few years back them.

He was up in years then as I recall in his 70's I would guess. He shared with me that he liked to make many of his fox sets down inside low hollow stumps as he had much success with that set up. I would assume he trapped in many large hardwood areas.

I trapped some years ago for short periods of time not far from Bradford as my then father in law lived in Mt. Jewett. It is a well forested area where I trapped and not much farm ground. Power lines, woods roads and some grassy right of ways is about most of the area I briefly trapped.

On that last visit with Harry was in the early 1980's, I never saw him again. I still remember our visit and he gave me a couple bottles of lure I still have sitting on one of our shelves in the shop. I think of him on occasion when I see one of his bottles in my shop and remember our last conversation.

He had good urine as I recall since I make it a practice to smell things as you can imagine. Funny how things tend to stay with you in your memory.

He was salt of the earth, a very kind man. Did you know Ned Stark the fur buyer from Eldred, Pa? What a wonderful character he was. Always gave fair prices and paid more than he should for what some kids brought in. Bought all my furs and ginseng for many years.

I didn't know Ned Stark however I knew of him. I had good intentions of stopping by to see him when I was in that area but it never happened. I was always on the run it seemed.

Some great points on this thread. I have to wonder about the suppliers that sell timberwolf urine or raccoon urine. I know no one has wolves in cages collecting urine, so how do they get it?

I was in Sterling Furs place last year and saw he had a few drums of wolf urine. Not sure where he gets it? I know a few that collect coon urine.

People keep wolves and wolf/dog crosses as pets, so there are those that breed them. Not sure where the urine comes from but I suspect from some of those breeders. Not saying there isn't good wolf urine out there, but I've never had any, and no one I've talked to has either. Most wolf trappers use coyote or fox urine after they have tried some of the wolf urine on the market.

Very good point
Mac

I do not do a ton of canine trapping anymore. In the past I did.
I always got good urine from Grawe, Carman when he sold it, and Jameson.
Mac

Please forgive me as I am very new to predator trapping. I just started trapping predators this year. I have used a couple different fox urines this year and have noticed that one had more of a skunk smell to and another that I used had no skunk smell to it at all. Is there a particular one that anyone prefers to use?

Thanks,

Ty
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No need to ask for forgiveness, i remember asking myself the same question.... the fox urine that had more of a skunk odor had a higher sulfide content, myself...that would be the urine I would prefer to use... first for the old factory value and secondly more for a belief on my part than anything else, so take it for what its worth... and research it some yourself to reach your own opinion..

my partner and myself raised foxes for a little over a decade, kept them mostly meat fed throughout the year, as his wife has a taxidermy shop and the meat was free feed... being mostly meat fed all year long the sulfide content, although not as strong through out most of the year.... grew the closer to breeding season it got... I imagine other semi-chemicals were or are produced in the urine also up to the point of being... in actual heat for the female and for the male to be brought to the point to be able to produce sperm . apples and oranges... foxes and coyotes are not like dogs....the good lord gave foxes and coyotes a short period for a breeding season and trapping season runs into breeding season .... jim