Human sent
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04/24/22 03:49 PM
04/24/22 03:49 PM
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Guss
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Re: Human sent
[Re: Guss]
#7568680
04/24/22 06:53 PM
04/24/22 06:53 PM
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Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,794 100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat
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IMO in most good coyote habitat, around rural farm and ranch areas, coyotes are very familiar with human (and other) scent and do not shy away from it unless concentrated in one spot associated with something else like a baited dirt hole; pee post or whatever. In my experience if you are basically clean you leave very little scent with your feet or hands. If you are worried about it just rub some local vegetation on your hands before setting. Actually, you leave much more scent from your body; essentially have confidence, keep it simple and just get in, set and get out as quickly as possible. Your body sheds off much more scent than you leave with bare hands and will generally dissipate in a day or so. _________________________
The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.
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Re: Human sent
[Re: Wolfdog91]
#7568681
04/24/22 06:54 PM
04/24/22 06:54 PM
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Posts: 1,870 Pennsylvania
patrapperbuster
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Put it to you like this. Bloodhounds can still pick up on human scent via skin cells ( which ,unless your wear a bubble suit your dropping everywhere 24/7/) for 12.5 days if not more . Don't know the specifics but I remember reading coyotes can smell even better then that. So long story short their gonna smell you. Guys down here are live market trapping during the summer in 90+ degrees sweating like pigs and there making catches within a few days usually so that should tell you something Exactly right on bloodhounds. We constantly shed microscopic dead skin cells.. This is how bloodhounds track. A test was done putting a person in a trunk of a car & drove around a couple of streets & the dog traveled the exact route. Would love to see test results of wild animals on their scenting ability
Till that day.....
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Re: Human sent
[Re: Guss]
#7568768
04/24/22 08:18 PM
04/24/22 08:18 PM
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Posts: 3,960 Northern Nevada
Bob
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I set without gloves or a kneeling pad, and I still catch coyotes regularly. I think after a day or two they can still smell you but they can tell you’re no longer there and will work a set anyway. Last year I made a two sets on a warm day, no gloves, no kneeling pad, sweating all over, had a coyote double the next day. Don’t get too caught up in stressing over human scent. Get in, make your sets quickly and efficiently, get out, and then check em from a distance. Catch the dumb ones and move on.
this is for fur trapping. If you’re doing control work where getting every last one is important then you absolutely need to cross every T and dot every i to fool the wise ones.
"I have two guns, one for each of ya."
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Re: Human sent
[Re: Guss]
#7570793
04/27/22 08:26 AM
04/27/22 08:26 AM
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Posts: 5,445 Southern Michigan
trappergbus
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I truly believe a well formulated attractant takes the caution away caused by human odor/presents. I wear gloves to protect my hands and take my time making sets correctly. Trap is always on the downwind side of the set. I get straight line approaches and more consistent catches than when I raced to make sets. If I walked from the tough ones here, I wouldn't trap many coyotes. By November they are all pressured from the increased human traffic from deer hunters and nighttime calling. I've had to adjust and do both at the same time. When the population was higher it was almost easy, now it's not....
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: Human sent
[Re: Guss]
#7571182
04/27/22 06:10 PM
04/27/22 06:10 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 21,031 St. Louis Co, Mo
BigBob
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What you've been eating/drinking makes difference too!
Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.
Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.
Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
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Re: Human sent
[Re: Guss]
#7571435
04/27/22 10:10 PM
04/27/22 10:10 PM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 25,593 Georgia
warrior
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Lots of speculation on this topic. Mainly because we lack the ability to smell the same cues our targets do. JMO, but odor producing molecules are so prevalent both on ourselves and on every living thing in the environment that I imagine it would be almost physically impossible to go undetectable to something as sensitive as a canine nose. So my take is to not lose sleep over it and try to work with what is. Basically keep what may be offensive or alarming to a minimum and offer other odors that may be more attractive or able to overcome any reluctance. Also understanding my target's possible reactions, learned or otherwise, to the odors I leave behind at a set. Again, jmo, but in many cases human odor alone is not necessarily a deterrent. I've had deer trail me into a stand so I know in that case it wasn't enough to cause flight. Yet if I wave a hand at that deer or speak I get instant flight. Georgia just released a study where they placed cameras to watch the reaction of deer to various recorded sounds. The #1 cause of flight was human voices, #2 was wolves howling, coyotes #4 behind dogs. Seems 1 and 4 and possibly 3 are learned behavior while 2 is instinctual as wolves have been extirpated from Georgia for more than a century. https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/study-shows-deer-fear-human-voices/Take away, don't be learning them that human sent near a hole or rock with lure is to be feared.
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Re: Human sent
[Re: silkyplainscoyot]
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04/28/22 08:06 PM
04/28/22 08:06 PM
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Posts: 10,126 Marion Kansas
Yes sir
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I agree with Yes sir on day 3 for my area too. Probably a lot of variables come into play though. Windy and dry conditions I feel dissipate scent quicker than with areas that are more moist and have less wind.
I have thought about about the foot print thing. Not sure it really makes a difference in some areas. A lot of cattle in the areas I trap. So I think they are use to ground disturbance and don't really differentiate human foot prints from cattle. What my analogy with the footprints is that coyotes noses gives them as much information or more than what our eyesight communicates to us. If that makes any sense. I don't worry about my footprints per say in the dirt either.
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Re: Human sent
[Re: Yes sir]
#7572205
04/28/22 08:39 PM
04/28/22 08:39 PM
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silkyplainscoyot
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I agree with Yes sir on day 3 for my area too. Probably a lot of variables come into play though. Windy and dry conditions I feel dissipate scent quicker than with areas that are more moist and have less wind.
I have thought about about the foot print thing. Not sure it really makes a difference in some areas. A lot of cattle in the areas I trap. So I think they are use to ground disturbance and don't really differentiate human foot prints from cattle. What my analogy with the footprints is that coyotes noses gives them as much information or more than what our eyesight communicates to us. If that makes any sense. I don't worry about my footprints per say in the dirt either. Ok, I get what you are saying. I just had in mind actual footprints left behind. I know some worry about them and try and brush them out. I'm sure some have seen coyotes veer off track when they come across human tracks and think it's the prints. I would venture to say it probably has to do with a fresh smell(scent) of recent activity that alarms them to something.
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Re: Human sent
[Re: Guss]
#7573672
04/30/22 04:59 PM
04/30/22 04:59 PM
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grumley701
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I'm not sure how long it last but I can say through experience that after I punch in a line the third day is my most productive day. I do know hounds are known to be able to pick up scent older than 3 days, it seems that after a couple days coyotes are comfortable enough with the scent left to work my sets.
Pure Blood
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Re: Human sent
[Re: Guss]
#7573797
04/30/22 08:29 PM
04/30/22 08:29 PM
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Posts: 45,491 james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
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Human scent (like a lot of other scent)belongs on a trapline.it is left there by the trapper scouting,hunting,fishing berry picking and running his line Human scent,(and other scents utilized by the trapper) must not be introduced into areas that they dont belong-unless you are using scent as a method of diversion at a specific set. Keep all scents,including human scent where it belongs. Handling traps and snares with bare hands is no problem. Under no circumstances handle bait or lure with bare hands and then handle your traps and snares.This is introducing scents where they do not belong and will cause you problems. I normally do baiting and setting my jackpots on different days. I know when first setting footholds you have to handle traps and bait scent all day long.Use gloves to handle your bait/lure and handle your traps with bare hands,or vice versa so as to not introduce scents where they dont belong. A trap at a remade set at a stunk up catch circle should be handled with you gloves on so as not to transfer scent to your hands if you will make new sets later.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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