Mental hospitals/ mass shootings?
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Guys, just something I was thinking about,, but can’t seem to find any information to support my theory. Does anyone know when the mass closures of mental institutions began?? Mid 90s?? Seems that’s when the spike began. Yes,,, we’ve always had shootings to some degree,, but before the mid 90s they were isolated and not as common as they are now.
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I don’t know the answer but I’ve heard that in the 1800’s up through the mid 1900’s we had something like 1000 mental hospital beds per 100,000 people. Now it’s less than 100 per 100,000. That’s from memory so don’t quote me. Now days they give them some pills and send them down the road. No oversight to see if the pills ever get taken.
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Has anybody heard anything about the little idiots father? I haven't been watching the news so maybe he was in the boys life maybe not.
It would seem to me that if his momma was a druggy then dad was probably too. I don't know if trying to identify and lock up the crazies would work but I cannot help but wonder that if children were raised in 2 parent homes if some of these kids would not be getting into nonsense like this
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We slapped mask on them and told them they were going to kill grandma....no wonder the youth have gone mad.
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Ronny Raygun emptied the mental institutions of CA when he was governor then cut funding to all the states as president.
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Guys, just something I was thinking about,, but can’t seem to find any information to support my theory. Does anyone know when the mass closures of mental institutions began?? Mid 90s?? Seems that’s when the spike began. Yes,,, we’ve always had shootings to some degree,, but before the mid 90s they were isolated and not as common as they are now. CT State Hospital for the Insane opened in 1904, closed in 1996.
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Re: Mental hospitals/ mass shootings?
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Guys, just something I was thinking about,, but can’t seem to find any information to support my theory. Does anyone know when the mass closures of mental institutions began?? Mid 90s?? Seems that’s when the spike began. Yes,,, we’ve always had shootings to some degree,, but before the mid 90s they were isolated and not as common as they are now. I think your talking about the Regan policy to de-fund and close mental hospitals that had in many cases life long residents. as most things it started in California Reagan signed the first bill in 1967 slowly closing down long term care facilities it was the mid 80s it went national a friend was a Deputy sheriff back then and they started to see in influx of mental folks visiting the jail. as in most things it was a slow process so it took years. mass killings have mostly followed population , there were 61 active shooter events in 2021, 12 of which qualify as a mass killing event 103 dead 140 injured that was a steep increase from the previous year 40 and prior to 2020-2021 30 had been the common median number. what changed , I think it has a lot to do with the way the media sells it , if you watch the news you might have seen numbers like 693 mass shootings , clearly they are getting their statistics from other places , no surprise they are including every possible criminal shooting to make up their numbers things that have known motive and intended victims often where few are innocent in the exchange when you sell every day that it is common and polarize absolutely everything push every stresser people snap so they take advantage of weak people prone to snapping and help push it in a more violent direction.
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It's what we as a society have allowed to be normalized. What is a mental case anymore? Would you consider this person mentally stable or hire him for a very important position in the federal govy? Or maybe this person for another important position? If those are not crazy but revered enough to run agencies within our govt, this one is probably ok too? (in charge of nuclear waste) Yes, we're talking about mental health all the while normalizing it at a federal level. Go figure.
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All 3 of these sick human beings were recruited, in the shadows, by a pervert at a young age….just like they are doing right now IN PLAIN SIGHT! It's what we as a society have allowed to be normalized. What is a mental case anymore? Would you consider this person mentally stable or hire him for a very important position in the federal govy? Or maybe this person for another important position? If those are not crazy but revered enough to run agencies within our govt, this one is probably ok too? (in charge of nuclear waste) Yes, we're talking about mental health all the while normalizing it at a federal level. Go figure.
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There was a lot of abuse in the mental institutions back in the day... The stories of experiments on the patients isn't just Hollywood horror movie stuff.
But instead of trying to fix that, we threw the baby out with the bathwater and shut the hospitals down.
I am generally opposed to government handling things... But after one mass shooting, don't remember which... Parkland maybe, and the issue of mental illness came up... Ben Shapiro made a pretty good point... The burden of the mentally ill falls on society as a whole. So it should be up to society to fund and undertake the care of the mentally ill.
We need to decide what criteria must be met for a person to be deemed dangerous enough to be institutionalized and apply those criteria. I have to wonder how many parents/family had an inkling that these kids need to be locked up and just ignored it or hoped the worst wouldn't happen... Or worse yet, looked into having something done and found out it was nearly impossible. Because getting someone committed long-term is nearly impossible. They basically have to commit a criminal act before the state will even consider it.
But everything is politicized now... And I'm not sure government could be trusted to set the standards for what qualifies as crazy now. All of the proposed red flag law legislation makes that apparent... Democrats want to lock you up for simply wanting to own a firearm.
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i bet there was a lot more shootings in the 1700's and 1800's per capita than today.
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There was a lot of abuse in the mental institutions back in the day... The stories of experiments on the patients isn't just Hollywood horror movie stuff.
But instead of trying to fix that, we threw the baby out with the bathwater and shut the hospitals down.
I am generally opposed to government handling things... But after one mass shooting, don't remember which... Parkland maybe, and the issue of mental illness came up... Ben Shapiro made a pretty good point... The burden of the mentally ill falls on society as a whole. So it should be up to society to fund and undertake the care of the mentally ill.
We need to decide what criteria must be met for a person to be deemed dangerous enough to be institutionalized and apply those criteria. I have to wonder how many parents/family had an inkling that these kids need to be locked up and just ignored it or hoped the worst wouldn't happen... Or worse yet, looked into having something done and found out it was nearly impossible. Because getting someone committed long-term is nearly impossible. They basically have to commit a criminal act before the state will even consider it.
But everything is politicized now... And I'm not sure government could be trusted to set the standards for what qualifies as crazy now. All of the proposed red flag law legislation makes that apparent... Democrats want to lock you up for simply wanting to own a firearm.
Mike We need to decide what criteria must be met for a person to be deemed danger but everything is so politicized now Democrats want to lock you up for wanting to own a gun. Now a days if you have any opinion other than guns are dangerous you are considered a criminal
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Ronny Raygun emptied the mental institutions of CA when he was governor then cut funding to all the states as president. Yep Huge portion of this is because our healthcare system sucks if you are poor. Zero help.
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