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Coyote urine, male or female #7653110
08/19/22 07:46 AM
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Longbeard12 Offline OP
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Been reading a lot of what you guys are talking about selecting quality urine. With that said, if I have the chance to buy male or female urine, does it matter? I am assuming the time of the year makes a difference or am I wrong?

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653191
08/19/22 09:41 AM
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Mho I believe single male urine is king. That said if it is well collected from either sex and or from multiple coyotes it WILL work just fine. I believe the collection Cleanliness/diet are the most important aspects. Summer collected urine I would pass on.

Last edited by Flint Hill fur; 08/19/22 09:42 AM.
Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653214
08/19/22 10:12 AM
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X2. What Flint Hill fur said. Single male is King. Multi coyotes = IF clean and good work well. I am toteing 4 urines now on this job. 2 different SMC urines. Bob Jameson red fox and coyote urine. Mr Jameson has some clean strong smelling MEAT feed urine that i am using now. I like it. It smell like what I want it to smell like. 35 years of smelling good and bad urine and its in my top 4 list

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653218
08/19/22 10:18 AM
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Really appreciate the info guys!! I am assuming fresh is king also?? I have some urine that is probably 10 years maybe 15 years old. Should I pitch it or keep it? It doesn't smell bad, but I also don't have the experience like you guys have.

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Flint Hill fur] #7653222
08/19/22 10:23 AM
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Another thing to think on = summer collection. Lots of work for little coyote pee. Can feed meat and get somw coyote pee BUT it well be much less in the summer

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653226
08/19/22 10:26 AM
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Longbeard12. Good SMC urine = Is good SMC urine. I have some SMC urine that has been in my lure shed for almost 3 years come Oct. SO if someone collects it and knows how to properly filter and put it up it will last for years. I know of a famous trapper that has some thats 10 years old. From a famous coyote. LOL!!!

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653257
08/19/22 11:11 AM
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Thanks steeltraps! Was looking at Mr Jamison website this morning! Will be putting a order in!!

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653260
08/19/22 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Longbeard12
Thanks steeltraps! Was looking at Mr Jamison website this morning! Will be putting a order in!!

I think you will like his stuff. Nothing beats SMC urine BUT good commercial mear feed urine is good enough most times. I am not going to name any names BUT I have been disappointed by many in the urine bussiness. Have had good stuff from all. BUT occasionally most have let me down. NOW keep in mind I trap 364 days a year. So over last 35 years I have got some = watered down coyote urine. From time to time. Fact is. I have ordered 3 gallons from a = know trap supply out fit All stored the same. 2 gallons where fine. Last gallon I opened = couldn’t even smell. Poured out. So 2 good gallons and 1 bad ? Why? Dont know. IF you get good urine from someone like Bob thats meat feeding them. And is not getting them from suppliers ? You may be better off in the long run. Just food for thought. I am mad at no 1. Cause a bad gallon of urine. Aint the end of the world to me. I bet i have 7 or 8 gallons of urine in my lure shed now

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653337
08/19/22 01:24 PM
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Fresh urine is good....aged urine is best. Older it gets the darker an better. Must be stored correct. Glass is best but the thicker plastic juice jugs work for me

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653341
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The past couple years I have used winter collected meat fed urine purchased from those that collect it. WOW! What an improvement over the junk I was buying from the large supply stores. If it is see through yellow you don't want it.

Lots of urine from supply houses isn't real urine or it is summer collected from fur farms that are not feeding an all meat diet. Meat fed urine collected in winter has a much stronger smell and attraction.

It made a noticeable difference for me. I highly recommend it!


Gotta live up to the nickname...
Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653356
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I’ll second Mr. Jameson’s urine he sells. All I’ve tried is the fox and cat. Both are strong and have that fox and cat smell you smell when you walk up to one in a trap.

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653360
08/19/22 02:11 PM
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I just put a order in!! Got me some of his "prairie king" lure also!!

Do you guys see a difference in catch rate using good quality urine? Or is that not a fair question?? I guess there could be different variables that could go into that including locations, how or what your using the urine with?

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653370
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Seems to me really fresh urine gets more attention than older urine but fresh (as in a couple days old) isn't possible for most of us. I collect coyote urine and when I handle the fresh stuff dumping it from the collection bucket to the storage container then go in the house my wife's dog and the cat are very aware and intrested in me. And I'm pretty careful to wear gloves and not get any on me. I don't get the same level of intrest from older urine. Makes me wonder if there's pheromones or something like it that's in fresh urine but has a very short life. But good urine even if aged works very good too.

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653374
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Originally Posted by Longbeard12
Do you guys see a difference in catch rate using good quality urine?

I did see an increase in my catches when going from see through yellow urine to certified meat fed winter collected urine. I never knew what I was missing!


Gotta live up to the nickname...
Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: coondagger2] #7653407
08/19/22 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by coondagger2
Originally Posted by Longbeard12
Do you guys see a difference in catch rate using good quality urine?

I did see an increase in my catches when going from see through yellow urine to certified meat fed winter collected urine. I never knew what I was missing!

Coondagger2, did you notice the increase on flat sets?

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653676
08/19/22 10:57 PM
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I don’t use many flat sets. I mainly try to standardize my sets to dirt holes with good bait down the hole and a shot of good urine. But if there’s nothing but rain in the forecast I’ll go to flat sets, can’t beat them in bad weather!


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Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7653880
08/20/22 10:08 AM
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Never tried Jameson's, I like Reuswatt's urine, been happy with it. I to have had odorless urine from a well known trap supply place. Only bad product I have had from them so I won't badmouth them, but I won't order urine from them again either.

By the way, I used that "odorless" yellow urine and never had anything pay attention to it. Trapping in snow I never saw a track where any type of animal ever even seemed to notice it. Had much more interest by making pee posts by peeing on them myself than by using that stuff. Of course when I was single I was pretty much meat fed! Eat a lot more of that other stuff after I got married. Haha.

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7654306
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Originally Posted by Longbeard12
Thanks steeltraps! Was looking at Mr Jamison website this morning! Will be putting a order in!!



Jam E son
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Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: Longbeard12] #7654571
08/21/22 10:37 AM
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Good strong, authentic uncut target animal urines can be a challenge today to find and then to know what is good stuff when you get it.

Good Urine may be the one of the most valuable single animal by-product element that a trapper can use. Time and experience will teach you this on your traplines.

Single animal urine, mixed collection urine or single sex urine are all very productive. For general trapping purposes I don't see any advantage of one over the other. If it is good strong clean urine it will do what it is intended to do.

Put an animal at ease, suspicion remover or just someone was here and spent some time, I will do the same reaction. Each animal can / will react differently at times.

Single animal urine in my experience has its greatest affect and impact doing ADC work or catching that last animal or two that gives you fits.

It is the user of the good urine that makes the difference in its effectiveness and how it is used in a particular presentation.

Good urine can boost any trappers success and increase interest, on the other hand a poor quality urine can have a negative effect with digging, rolling or rejection from some animals.

A dribble of a little good urine at a set can only compliment a set. I don't know if there is really a right or a wrong way for its use. We try to rationalize these things all the time.

An animal, in this case a predator, uses his or her urine to make a statement or to reply to a statement. Simply because it is one of the few things it can do to communicate to others.


Urine, feces, glandular excretions and vocalization are their primary means of specie communication and interaction.

Intrepretation of these scenting actions makes for stimulating discussions of why and what do they mean.

There are still some commerical fur farms and some commercial collection operations still out there.

They are all probably trying to maximize their output potential and most likely have standing orders and a backorder list. So lots of water and conditions to keep them peeing as fast and as much as possible are being utilized.

The diets of those animals in those big operations cannot be catered too easily. So bagged food must be incorporated into their feeding cycle to make the operation easier. That kind of diet will affect the urine strength, color and determine its high quality standards.

Then I am sure there are some dilution methods going on as well as the synthetic / home brew urine being flooded into the market.

There is much time, work and planning that goes into finding adequate wild meat sources for a good collection operation. These food sources are key to getting the best urine quality with a good strong odor in the end.

Muskrat, ground hog, some fowl, and red meats mixed in will get you the prime sought out urine and keep healthy animals. It takes some knowledge / experience or training from another to get this process going and maintained daily. Not to mention the freezer space, pens, shelter and daily routine involved.

Some will cut corners with diet and it is evident in the final product as is the same with summer collection urine. It isn't the same quality or odor and is prone to spoil in a few months.

Those that do collect urine and do it right, feed right and keep clean pens most of the time will have the best of the best urine.

Finding these smaller operations are not easy and there aren't many these days to meet the demand. The state regs., investment and work involved discourage many to do it.

As a dealer or trapper you want the best you can get, because that product represents you and contributes to your trap line success.

Good quality meat fed animal urine will demand a higher price compared to the average industry pricing per gallon. You truly get what you pay for at times.

But that extra expense will pay dividends and give you confidence at setting out your lines that you have the good stuff. The rest is location and hard work.

There has been some excellent information and experiences shared with the public as of recent years.

Men like Chris ( steeltraps ) and James (Tejas) have done a great service to all those that follow along with them on their control work and traplines.

These tutourials and interactions have never really been taken to this level of skill and sharing.

You all need to appreciate these men for what they are doing, taking the time and giving information that only comes through doing it and working thru the challenges of trapping that comes with different seasonal times of the year.

I would have been much better skilled at a much faster pace if I had a computer and a Forum like Trapperman in my early days. Back in my day there were no such tools or internet.

Magazines and books were our sources of information as the older local guys were tight lipped and held their methods close to the cuff.

Re: Coyote urine, male or female [Re: LT GREY] #7654629
08/21/22 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LT GREY
Originally Posted by Longbeard12
Thanks steeltraps! Was looking at Mr Jamison website this morning! Will be putting a order in!!



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Sorry LT GREY, thanks for pointing that out.

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