Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this.
[Re: MattLA]
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09/21/22 11:49 AM
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Looking at some numbers...the most efficient EV currently uses just over .25 kW/h to go one mile. It takes around 90 kW hours to charge a tesla 3 to full. You are mistaken, the most "electric efficient" is somewhere in the 4.0 miles per kW/h. My F150 Lightning averages 2.4 miles per kW/h, with a total battery capacity of around 98kWh. It also only takes 12-15 hours to charge at home, less than 30 minutes at the super chargers, AND it cost me .02 cents per mile to drive it, whereas the diesel or gas is at .30 cents per mile. It definitely is cheaper because electric rates in some states are fixed and never change. Check your math. 4 x 0. 25=1
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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this.
[Re: SNIPERBBB]
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09/21/22 12:40 PM
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There's a couple concepts out there for that but the problem is you at best end up not gaining any electrical profit. Profit being that you gain the as much or more energy consumed by the vehicle. Also have to remember that EVs have energy efficiency losses just like gasoline vehicles. Not quite as much as gas but still not 100% Actually way worse that gas if you account for the generation of the juice you put into an EV. Electricker is not made by pixies inside of the walls of your house. Right now you have to heat water ( usually with coal fires ) run the steam over a turbine that drives a generator, transform the energy a few times and push it through a lot of wires before it gets to charge up the batteries in your vechile. Taking all that into account the conversion rate of primary energy into motion, the EV is dismal at it. So mile per mile, you are using way more fuel than a vechile with an internal combustion engine.
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this.
[Re: Boco]
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09/21/22 02:10 PM
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Diesel electric on rail=very efficient-around 500 miles per gallon per ton. I'd like to see this tried on passenger vehicles. I'd think it'd be better....unless the initial cost and repair costs negate fuel savings. Battery electric, as I said above, I don't see as practical to run the entire nation on.
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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this.
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09/21/22 02:15 PM
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Diesel electric on rail=very efficient-around 500 miles per gallon per ton. I'd like to see this tried on passenger vehicles. I'd think it'd be better....unless the initial cost and repair costs negate fuel savings. Battery electric, as I said above, I don't see as practical to run the entire nation on. I don't know they haven't at least done it with semis, alot of bigger dirt equipment is that way.
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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this.
[Re: Willy Firewood]
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09/21/22 03:15 PM
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They should be named “coal powered cars” or “natural gas powered cars” because those are the fuels that generate their precious electricity. Excellent point!
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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this.
[Re: Willy Firewood]
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09/21/22 03:19 PM
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They should be named “coal powered cars” or “natural gas powered cars” because those are the fuels that generate their precious electricity. I call them powered by external combustion engines, as the fossil fuels that powers them is burnt in a different location.
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this.
[Re: loosegoose]
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09/21/22 03:21 PM
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A gas powered car only uses about 30% of the energy in the gasoline to move the car down the road. The rest of the energy goes out the radiator and the tailpipe in the form of heat. Electrical generation is a lot more efficient than 30%, and an electric car uses about 70% of it's electric power to move the vehicle down the road, the rest being lost through friction and such. Even comparing a gas burning car to an electric vehicle that gets it's electricity from fossil fuel sources, the electric car is more efficient.
Regarding the grid capacity....the grid would need about 30ish% more capacity. That's not undoable. Mr Loos, can you afford to buy an EV?
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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this.
[Re: SNIPERBBB]
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09/21/22 05:58 PM
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@SniperB, People get above 4, but I was just making a point, do you measure fuel milage in terms of how much gasoline or diesel it takes to go one mile?
You other guys are just making moot points, atleast on here for TMAN. I own an all electric truck and dont care one way or the other which is better for the environment. I bought it because It gives me the ability to one day charge it with solar panels, to "fill up" from my house vs a station and because my electricity rate doesnt fluctuate like fuel prices do. The savings is long term, even shorter if you drive a lot, even if fuel drops to $2 and a truck gets 25 MPG, the cost to drive a mile is still 4x that for my electric truck. 10 years at 12k miles per year is $2400 total "fuel" cost for electric vs $9600 for a 25 mpg truck at $2 bucks per gallon. $14,400 for 25 mpg at $3 bucks a gallon. $19,200 for 25 mpg at $4 bucks a gallon.
My 2016 F150 3.5L ecoboost max tow gets 18 mpg and gas is $2.70, which for 10 years would be $18066. My 2004 F350 CCLB 6.0 Turbodiesel gets 16 MPG and diesel is $4.50 which would be $33750. Whats even better is that the maintenance on my electric truck is far less than gas or diesel which again for 10 years puts it more way over. Again, I am only comparing true comparables, not super specific examples, I dont think everybody or even the majority of people should switch to electric. Its highly likely that 90% of people, it wont make sense for, financially, morally, common, uncommon, after 20 years. If you drive a lot, absolutely you should buy one if you can afford it because you will probably make up what used to be the difference in much shorter time. The taxpayers also helped me out on this truck $7500 deduction which puts a huge dent in the difference. Before you get mad, we waste billions on foreign countries that offer little to no strategic reasoning. Ask yourself how much it has cost us to stay in Japan, Germany, Korea and a few other places since WW2. Yes it does great offroad, yes the brake regen is really awesome and it will beat your 1998 corvette in a race to 75mph.
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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this.
[Re: Flicker Shad]
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09/21/22 06:14 PM
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I would guess for someone that can switch vehicles every couple of years or so would be okay. But I tend to have to drive my vehicles until the wheels fall off of them, I don't see that being practicle with an electric vechile.
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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this.
[Re: MattLA]
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09/21/22 06:26 PM
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@SniperB, People get above 4, but I was just making a point, do you measure fuel milage in terms of how much gasoline or diesel it takes to go one mile?
You other guys are just making moot points, atleast on here for TMAN. I own an all electric truck and dont care one way or the other which is better for the environment. I bought it because It gives me the ability to one day charge it with solar panels, to "fill up" from my house vs a station and because my electricity rate doesnt fluctuate like fuel prices do. The savings is long term, even shorter if you drive a lot, even if fuel drops to $2 and a truck gets 25 MPG, the cost to drive a mile is still 4x that for my electric truck. 10 years at 12k miles per year is $2400 total "fuel" cost for electric vs $9600 for a 25 mpg truck at $2 bucks per gallon. $14,400 for 25 mpg at $3 bucks a gallon. $19,200 for 25 mpg at $4 bucks a gallon.
My 2016 F150 3.5L ecoboost max tow gets 18 mpg and gas is $2.70, which for 10 years would be $18066. My 2004 F350 CCLB 6.0 Turbodiesel gets 16 MPG and diesel is $4.50 which would be $33750. Whats even better is that the maintenance on my electric truck is far less than gas or diesel which again for 10 years puts it more way over. Again, I am only comparing true comparables, not super specific examples, I dont think everybody or even the majority of people should switch to electric. Its highly likely that 90% of people, it wont make sense for, financially, morally, common, uncommon, after 20 years. If you drive a lot, absolutely you should buy one if you can afford it because you will probably make up what used to be the difference in much shorter time. The taxpayers also helped me out on this truck $7500 deduction which puts a huge dent in the difference. Before you get mad, we waste billions on foreign countries that offer little to no strategic reasoning. Ask yourself how much it has cost us to stay in Japan, Germany, Korea and a few other places since WW2. Yes it does great offroad, yes the brake regen is really awesome and it will beat your 1998 corvette in a race to 75mph.
We are talking about whether you can charge an EV using its own motion, regenerative braking or other methods so you don't have to charge it at a station. Just pointing out how much energy needs to run the car. Financially, EVs need well over $5 a gallon to compare to gas vehicles. You have to overcome the initial buy price first. Thats assuming optimal energy uses by an EV, your efficiency falls off a lot when it gets cold and runnning heat or the AC Then when you have to replace the battery, how much is that going to be? Going back to gas prices and electric rates, electric rates are going to jump soon. Europe is experiencing double or triple increases in electic rates.
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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this.
[Re: Yukon John]
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09/21/22 06:27 PM
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I would guess for someone that can switch vehicles every couple of years or so would be okay. But I tend to have to drive my vehicles until the wheels fall off of them, I don't see that being practicle with an electric vechile. You just drive the EV till the battery dies or it burns up in a blaze of glory
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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this.
[Re: Yukon John]
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09/21/22 08:04 PM
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I would guess for someone that can switch vehicles every couple of years or so would be okay. But I tend to have to drive my vehicles until the wheels fall off of them, I don't see that being practicle with an electric vechile. Yup.....won't be long it'll take 100K to buy a new vehicle. I'm about to go back to an old carbureted thing I can work on myself.
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