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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7675084
09/20/22 07:33 AM
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Here's a good video about regenerative braking. Weber university has a bunch of really good hybrid/electric vehicle training videos.

Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7675133
09/20/22 09:19 AM
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electric cars are not the future.
There is not enough generation to charge them.
Ca. is already asking EV owners not to charge their cars cause of power outages.
Cobalt, Nickel and Lithium needed for batteries are scarce or hard to mine items, we would have to increase their supplies at least 50X to make enough EV batteries.

Of course that maybe the goal in the end, to make all of us drive less and use less energy so the Nancy Pelosi and Bill Gates of the world have enough for their exorbitant lifestyles.

Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7675197
09/20/22 12:11 PM
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The other thing people never hear about when it comes to EVs is the cost to charge your EV. Do you know that some fools actually think it will be almost free to charge your EV?


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Trapper7] #7675198
09/20/22 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
The other thing people never hear about when it comes to EVs is the cost to charge your EV. Do you know that some fools actually think it will be almost free to charge your EV?

I'm pretty sure that most people that own an EV are aware of the fact that electricity costs money.

As far as whether it's cheaper than fueling a gasoline powered car, that depends on the fuel efficiency of the gas powered car, of course, bit in most cases it's cheaper to go the electric route.

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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: loosegoose] #7675206
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Trapper7
The other thing people never hear about when it comes to EVs is the cost to charge your EV. Do you know that some fools actually think it will be almost free to charge your EV?

I'm pretty sure that most people that own an EV are aware of the fact that electricity costs money.

As far as whether it's cheaper than fueling a gasoline powered car, that depends on the fuel efficiency of the gas powered car, of course, bit in most cases it's cheaper to go the electric route.

Most people don't own an electric car. As with most things, the more people that do will raise the cost to charge it because of availability alone.


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7675245
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Electric will only be practical as a niche market item. No way do we have near enough energy being produced let alone delivering it to power them to start, but if we ever did the Gov't and electric companies will be throwing taxes and surcharges on top of each other until it's as high if not higher than gasoline vehicle.

People are only looking at costs now when they are a novelty and not what it'll take to run a country on them.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7675246
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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: white17] #7675248
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I've always said......if you have a quality product, it'll sell itself, you won't have to push it on people.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: run] #7675284
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Originally Posted by run
Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Technology is pretty amazing. I do see a place for EVs in areas where people aren't driving long distances like in the cities. Now everyone will have to put in a generator to charge them.

More people should have generators anyway. Our local electrical reliability is a joke anyhow. Even those people who live in my local city are without power for days.


And the generator runs on???


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7675289
09/20/22 03:08 PM
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My generators run on love.


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7675316
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A gas powered car only uses about 30% of the energy in the gasoline to move the car down the road. The rest of the energy goes out the radiator and the tailpipe in the form of heat. Electrical generation is a lot more efficient than 30%, and an electric car uses about 70% of it's electric power to move the vehicle down the road, the rest being lost through friction and such. Even comparing a gas burning car to an electric vehicle that gets it's electricity from fossil fuel sources, the electric car is more efficient.

Regarding the grid capacity....the grid would need about 30ish% more capacity. That's not undoable.

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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: loosegoose] #7675318
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
A gas powered car only uses about 30% of the energy in the gasoline to move the car down the road. The rest of the energy goes out the radiator and the tailpipe in the form of heat. Electrical generation is a lot more efficient than 30%, and an electric car uses about 70% of it's electric power to move the vehicle down the road, the rest being lost through friction and such. Even comparing a gas burning car to an electric vehicle that gets it's electricity from fossil fuel sources, the electric car is more efficient.

Regarding the grid capacity....the grid would need about 30ish% more capacity. That's not undoable.

What about when you factor in heat and ac?


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7675341
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Power generation from fossil fuels averages somewhere near 40% efficient. Not a lot more than 30%.


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Dirt] #7675374
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Power generation from fossil fuels averages somewhere near 40% efficient. Not a lot more than 30%.


Is that before losses down the line? Losses during charging?

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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7675375
09/20/22 06:09 PM
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How is the electricity generated????

Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Fisher Man] #7675386
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Originally Posted by Fisher Man
How is the electricity generated????


Everyone knows electric come from the plug and is generated by...

Gerbils on a hamster wheel and unicorn farts.

Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Providence Farm] #7675392
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Originally Posted by Fisher Man
How is the electricity generated????


Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Dirt
Power generation from fossil fuels averages somewhere near 40% efficient. Not a lot more than 30%.


Is that before losses down the line? Losses during charging?


Generation is the production of electricity at power stations or generating units where a form of primary energy is converted into electricity. Transmission is the network that moves power from one part of a country or a region to another. It is usually a well-interconnected infrastructure in which multiple power lines link different substations, which change voltage levels, .

Distribution finally delivers the power (we could say locally when compared to the transmission system) to the final loads (a majority of which are supplied at low voltage) via intermediate steps at which the voltage is converted down (transformed) to lower levels.


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: Flicker Shad] #7675466
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They should be named “coal powered cars” or “natural gas powered cars” because those are the fuels that generate their precious electricity.


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Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: hippie] #7675467
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Originally Posted by hippie
Electric will only be practical as a niche market item. No way do we have near enough energy being produced let alone delivering it to power them to start, but if we ever did the Gov't and electric companies will be throwing taxes and surcharges on top of each other until it's as high if not higher than gasoline vehicle.

People are only looking at costs now when they are a novelty and not what it'll take to run a country on them.

Exactly. All those taxes you pay on a gallon of gas will simply be transfered, and most likely multiplied.

Re: Electric cars. Riddle me this. [Re: SNIPERBBB] #7675851
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
Looking at some numbers...the most efficient EV currently uses just over .25 kW/h to go one mile. It takes around 90 kW hours to charge a tesla 3 to full.


You are mistaken, the most "electric efficient" is somewhere in the 4.0 miles per kW/h. My F150 Lightning averages 2.4 miles per kW/h, with a total battery capacity of around 98kWh. It also only takes 12-15 hours to charge at home, less than 30 minutes at the super chargers, AND it cost me .02 cents per mile to drive it, whereas the diesel or gas is at .30 cents per mile. It definitely is cheaper because electric rates in some states are fixed and never change.

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