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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7682451
09/30/22 01:11 PM
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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: ~ADC~] #7682463
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Originally Posted by warrior
See my above post. No pellets in the meat. Maybe some in the neck.

I can see how many in that 10" circle above, I can also see how many are below it. wink

Yes you can see the pattern ends about 3-4" below the bottom of that circle. I don't aim where the head meets the neck, I aim for where I want the bulk of the pattern to hit. Right on his eyes.

All of this is from personal experience though, not internet speculation grin


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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7682467
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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7682510
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I have a 28 gauge Wingmaster with Remchokes and have been advised not to shoot TSS through it using standard choke tubes. Cant find a TSS compatible choke tube without sending barrel off and having one made so have not turkey hunted with it.

Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: RHuff] #7682528
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Originally Posted by RHuff
I have a 28 gauge Wingmaster with Remchokes and have been advised not to shoot TSS through it using standard choke tubes. Cant find a TSS compatible choke tube without sending barrel off and having one made so have not turkey hunted with it.


Jebs makes a 28 gauge REM Choke

I use the Jebs 20 gauge rem choke with tss

Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: garymc] #7682586
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Originally Posted by garymc
Jebs makes a 28 gauge REM Choke

They sure do, good to know! I looked on their website and they have the 28ga remchoke turkey model available. Or Rhuff could just sell that Remington to me whistle


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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: coondagger2] #7682675
09/30/22 07:50 PM
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Sounds like I need to order my shot and a full and a modified full choke.


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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7682719
09/30/22 08:23 PM
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You need to see what a reputable choke maker recommends and get that choke. I had a custom made choke made for my 20ga. At the time it was made for Hevi13 #7 shot. But when I switched to TSS it was a perfect match for the #9ís we loaded. Went with some Apex loads to try and their 3Ē 1 5/8oz loads are absolutely deadly at 40yds. I donít care for all pellets in a 10Ē circle choke, I like it a tad more open at that distance.
And the only time you hear someone asking how those little pellets taste is from someone that has no clue about TSS, lol. TSS literally blows completely through the body if hit. No pellets in any of the turkeys Iíve killed starting with the Hevi13 and 50 something turkeys ago.
As far as sights, it all depends if your a drive to your spot kind of hunter or one that might walk 5+ miles up a mountain or through a swamp chasing a bird. I had the clip/screw on fiber optic sights and they lasted all of one season before I went with a red dot style sight. I use a Burris FFIII and love it. Sometimes with TSS POA isnít POI, hence the sights come into play.
Find a choke first. Once you get the choke throwing the pattern you want, no matter where it is on paper, then get a sight to dial it in. Fortunately on my little 20 I have a see through mount so just incase the battery happens to die I can use the bead on the barrel. My POA is the POI.
As far as your loads, youíre loading way light. Find a load online or from a reputable manufacturer, and follow their specs. TSS is not something you want to run hot, but you want more than 7/8oz. In fact, all the loads I shoot have less recoil than lead turkey loads.
Remember with smaller gauges and TSS, you still want that bird at 40 or less. Will it kill farther? Yes, but we owe it to the game we hunt to make clean ethical kills every time that trigger is pulled. TSS is just that oh crap I misranged that bird. If you do it right it should be I need to shoot now before he gets too close!! I didnít have a shot last year over 25yds and that was in three different states. One bird I had to let walk off a bit. He just came in way to close for me, lol. I get excited and that red dot get jumping.

Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7683014
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Best option for sights on a turkey gun I have found with the super chokes and TSS
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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: Wanna Be] #7683359
10/01/22 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
You need to see what a reputable choke maker recommends and get that choke. I had a custom made choke made for my 20ga. At the time it was made for Hevi13 #7 shot. But when I switched to TSS it was a perfect match for the #9ís we loaded. Went with some Apex loads to try and their 3Ē 1 5/8oz loads are absolutely deadly at 40yds. I donít care for all pellets in a 10Ē circle choke, I like it a tad more open at that distance.
And the only time you hear someone asking how those little pellets taste is from someone that has no clue about TSS, lol. TSS literally blows completely through the body if hit. No pellets in any of the turkeys Iíve killed starting with the Hevi13 and 50 something turkeys ago.
As far as sights, it all depends if your a drive to your spot kind of hunter or one that might walk 5+ miles up a mountain or through a swamp chasing a bird. I had the clip/screw on fiber optic sights and they lasted all of one season before I went with a red dot style sight. I use a Burris FFIII and love it. Sometimes with TSS POA isnít POI, hence the sights come into play.
Find a choke first. Once you get the choke throwing the pattern you want, no matter where it is on paper, then get a sight to dial it in. Fortunately on my little 20 I have a see through mount so just incase the battery happens to die I can use the bead on the barrel. My POA is the POI.
As far as your loads, youíre loading way light. Find a load online or from a reputable manufacturer, and follow their specs. TSS is not something you want to run hot, but you want more than 7/8oz. In fact, all the loads I shoot have less recoil than lead turkey loads.
Remember with smaller gauges and TSS, you still want that bird at 40 or less. Will it kill farther? Yes, but we owe it to the game we hunt to make clean ethical kills every time that trigger is pulled. TSS is just that oh crap I misranged that bird. If you do it right it should be I need to shoot now before he gets too close!! I didnít have a shot last year over 25yds and that was in three different states. One bird I had to let walk off a bit. He just came in way to close for me, lol. I get excited and that red dot get jumping.


The POA/POI difference doesn't surprise me and I am expecting to have to add something to account for that.
You can't drive to anywhere I hunt which is fine by me and it's disappointing to hear about the clamp on type of sight. I'm not sure I want to rely on something with batteries but I'll go with whatever is most effective.

I agree on the 40 yard max range regardless if it's a 12 ga with lead or a 28 ga with TSS. This whole effort for me is to make that little 28 ga earn it's keep, lol. I hear ya on getting excited.


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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7683375
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I change my battery every year whether it needs it or not prior to checking zero. First battery I left in for 3 years before I figured I might need to change it, lol. Out of all my buddies that have them, I donít think any of us have ever had a battery go out on us. I carry a spare in my turkey vest just in case.

Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: Wanna Be] #7683495
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
I change my battery every year whether it needs it or not prior to checking zero. First battery I left in for 3 years before I figured I might need to change it, lol. Out of all my buddies that have them, I donít think any of us have ever had a battery go out on us. I carry a spare in my turkey vest just in case.

Same for me, I change each season and Iíve never had one go out on me. I buy reputable brands like energizer or Duracell not the dollar store brand.

You donít have to drill and tap the gun to have a red dot. I use mounts that clamp on the vent rib. They have four screws and you loctite the screws. They are solid as a rock and Iíve never had one even think about moving. Look up meadow creek mounts


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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7683833
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Thanks for the heads up on Jebs will check them out. I love my 28 gauge. Along with a 20 gauge Benelli Montifeltro I dont need another shotgun.

Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7683840
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I just ordered some #9 tungsten shot from Super-18 Tungsten Super Shot. Is reloading data included with the order or do you have to ask? I didn't see a "contact me" link and I guess I missed the option to include a note.

The last thing on the list is the roll crimp tool. They are out of stock at Precision Reloading but Ballistic Products has them. Is there any real difference?


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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: RHuff] #7683864
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Originally Posted by RHuff
I dont need another shotgun.


Said no one ever. smile

Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7683889
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Originally Posted by We-Sa
I just ordered some #9 tungsten shot from Super-18 Tungsten Super Shot. Is reloading data included with the order or do you have to ask? I didn't see a "contact me" link and I guess I missed the option to include a note.

The last thing on the list is the roll crimp tool. They are out of stock at Precision Reloading but Ballistic Products has them. Is there any real difference?

Hal will provide you reloading data, if you have Facebook thatís how I get in touch with him. His name is Hal Abbott, he is a bald guy, canít miss him.

I get terrible crimps from the BPI crimper. Another Facebook thing, but get in touch with Dale Wildman from PA and get a GAEP roll crimp tool. The crimp quality is night and day, I have a comparison somewhere

GAEP on the left BPI on the right

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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7683926
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Thanks coondagger. Thatís quite a difference in roll quality. Seems like Iíve heard the Precision Reloading roll crimper is better than BPI too.

I have BPIís 12 ga roll crimper, the cheaper one, and it works ok. If I swab it good with 3 in 1 oil it does better and it seems to improve when it ďgets warmed upĒ.

I donít have a facebook account so Iíll try and hold out for the PR tool and hopefully Iíll get the data with the shot from Mr Abbot.


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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7683943
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Originally Posted by We-Sa
Thanks coondagger. Thatís quite a difference in roll quality. Seems like Iíve heard the Precision Reloading roll crimper is better than BPI too.

I have BPIís 12 ga roll crimper, the cheaper one, and it works ok. If I swab it good with 3 in 1 oil it does better and it seems to improve when it ďgets warmed upĒ.

I donít have a facebook account so Iíll try and hold out for the PR tool and hopefully Iíll get the data with the shot from Mr Abbot.

Here is some contact info I found for Hal, he wonít know which data to send until you tell him what you are looking for. He has thousands of loads

Hal Abbott
Email: hganc@aol.com
Website: https://www.super18tungstenshot.com/
phone: 919-662-8138

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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7683959
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Whatever you do, follow exactly whatís sent. Donít try and reinvent the wheel, itís already invented and rolls just fine. A lot of folks wonít share recipes because of liability issues.

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Although with TSS being main stream now, it may be common knowledge.

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