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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: Rat Masterson] #7738969
12/09/22 12:06 PM
12/09/22 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Steve, you feel better now.


He should feel good. He may be saving the planet from global warming on our dime making Davis Bacon wages.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7738996
12/09/22 12:45 PM
12/09/22 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
MattLA I can see right through you. Your only on TMAN to cause trouble and promote liberalism and animal rights.

Glad I'm not the only one who sees this!!

Also, around here the UAW did away with "pensions" years ago. They switched to a 401K. When I was in the GM Lordstown plant I couldn't believe what I saw. On the line where they made the Chevrolet Cavalier and the Pontiac Sunbird there was a guy that ran out of bolts in his bin and the box of bolts were at his feet.

He stood there and when ask why he didn't open the box and fill the bin he said, it ain't my job. So they hit the button, stopped the line, and waited 20 minutes for an expediter to fill his bin. This was just one account of things I saw.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739004
12/09/22 12:53 PM
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If people have a problem with their employer they have every right to not go to work. If they get together and refuse to work for whatever reason thats their right also. We are not slaves. The problem with unions is they have become national organizations run by gangsters. They do stuff like make "loans" of pension funds to other gangsters. They take bribes from employers to make sure they don't have labor problems. The list of corruption is almost endless. so is the propaganda they constantly spew.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739014
12/09/22 01:11 PM
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"You have the right to not go to work" great advice


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739051
12/09/22 02:12 PM
12/09/22 02:12 PM
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Danny, maybe you missed it. I think it's wrong to bail out pensions. I think it's wrong to bail out banks farmers and I would like to see unemployment insurance done away with.

I noticed you danced around my question if the Hwy 169 job paid Davis bacon.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739067
12/09/22 02:38 PM
12/09/22 02:38 PM
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Isn't Davis Bacon where the government inflates the price of labor?


Who is John Galt?
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739085
12/09/22 02:54 PM
12/09/22 02:54 PM
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That's where the government put the "pork" in wages.

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739143
12/09/22 04:24 PM
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I dont know what davis bacon is? I missed your question

Ok I looked it up. prevailing wage. We were paid more. I get paid whats being paid in the KC area

Last edited by danny clifton; 12/09/22 04:27 PM.

Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739147
12/09/22 04:30 PM
12/09/22 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I dont know what davis bacon is? I missed your question

Ok I looked it up. prevailing wage. We were paid more. I get paid whats being paid in the KC area

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis-Bacon_Act_of_1931


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739154
12/09/22 04:42 PM
12/09/22 04:42 PM
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So much for rugged individualism. Who deserves the profit a business generates, the owners or the employees?

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739162
12/09/22 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-announce-36-billion-relief-100000375.html

I get more than a little angry at the bowing down by politicians and the fact that hard working people are forced to pay for pensions they are ineligible for, because lazy union communist sympathizers, are fawned on by the democrats they give so much dues money too.

Your mad at unions,,for something the corrupt government administration is doing? Hahahaaaaa Instead of wanting to ban unions(for something they didn't even do) why don't you ban corrupt polititions instead?If you don't like the Dems coddling unions,,vote the Dems out of office.

Last edited by upstateNY; 12/09/22 04:59 PM.

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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739163
12/09/22 04:58 PM
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First, I deeply apologize sincerely for this outlandish behavior to my fellow trappers, but sometimes you have to prove a point to people the hard way. For my Native American friends, this is not a slant against you either, the animal in the picture is one I deeply respect and I am honored to have the privilege to display it upon my head. Now on to the the business;

Danny, which one do you want? Each cost $3k just for the rifle. If black guns aren't your style, might I introduce the gun that has killed more bison, deer, elk and moose than any other rifle caliber in the history of the United States of America. The one and only, true model 94 pre 64 in 30-30, rugged and light, accurate and true, a favorite among true American heroes. Danny, one of the great benefits of being in the union is that they have excellent vision insurance, maybe had you done your time in one, you coulda got them eyes checked, cause they definitely aren't seeing true!

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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: MattLA] #7739167
12/09/22 05:02 PM
12/09/22 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MattLA
First, I deeply apologize sincerely for this outlandish behavior to my fellow trappers, but sometimes you have to prove a point to people the hard way. For my Native American friends, this is not a slant against you either, the animal in the picture is one I deeply respect and I am honored to have the privilege to display it upon my head. Now on to the the business;

Danny, which one do you want? Each cost $3k just for the rifle. If black guns aren't your style, might I introduce the gun that has killed more bison, deer, elk and moose than any other rifle caliber in the history of the United States of America. The one and only, true model 94 pre 64 in 30-30, rugged and light, accurate and true, a favorite among true American heroes. Danny, one of the great benefits of being in the union is that they have excellent vision insurance, maybe had you done your time in one, you coulda got them eyes checked, cause they definitely aren't seeing true!

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LOL laugh


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739169
12/09/22 05:05 PM
12/09/22 05:05 PM
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Profit is what the owners make after expenses, some expenses are wages, some wages are higher because it’s still cheaper than than fixing screw ups or in my line of work paying out death or injury benefits because you hired the cheap labor. Like Danny conceded it’s well within the rights of qualified journeyman lineman to join together and say “if you want our expertise, pay us well”.

I’ve been doing linework since I was 21 and after 13 years I’ve never seen this “not my job, can’t open a bag of bolts nonsense” we do all the hot work and climbing requirements you’d expect as well as, metering, working on trucks and plumbing in our shop from time to time. I don’t like the bail outs, I don’t like the politics, but don’t keep saying this union workers are lazy and useless bull feces. You sound like the left lumping everyone who disagrees into a big box and calling them racists


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739171
12/09/22 05:06 PM
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Holy cow, what just happened??? grin


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: KsTrapper88] #7739173
12/09/22 05:10 PM
12/09/22 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by KsTrapper88
Profit is what the owners make after expenses, some expenses are wages, some wages are higher because it’s still cheaper than than fixing screw ups or in my line of work paying out death or injury benefits because you hired the cheap labor. Like Danny conceded it’s well within the rights of qualified journeyman lineman to join together and say “if you want our expertise, pay us well”.

I’ve been doing linework since I was 21 and after 13 years I’ve never seen this “not my job, can’t open a bag of bolts nonsense” we do all the hot work and climbing requirements you’d expect as well as, metering, working on trucks and plumbing in our shop from time to time. I don’t like the bail outs, I don’t like the politics, but don’t keep saying this union workers are lazy and useless bull feces. You sound like the left lumping everyone who disagrees into a big box and calling them racists



Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: Catch22] #7739175
12/09/22 05:11 PM
12/09/22 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Holy cow, what just happened??? grin


Weird and creepiness.


-Goofy
Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739177
12/09/22 05:21 PM
12/09/22 05:21 PM
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LOL!


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739178
12/09/22 05:21 PM
12/09/22 05:21 PM
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South Central Kansas
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Well bernie, my point is that by passing a 4 year certified apprenticeship, you are guaranteeing to a potential employer that you know the full spectrum of what is expected of a journeyman lineman and if you don’t you will be fired.

Most non union guys haven’t done an apprenticeship. But you are right there are some good lineman there too. I painted with too broad a brush.


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Re: Time to end labor unions [Re: danny clifton] #7739179
12/09/22 05:22 PM
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The union I belong to got us all hams, choice of pumpkin, pecan or apple pie a hi viz toboggan and a engraved mag lite flashlight. Guess what the company got us. Yes you guessed it, nothing. I know it wasn’t a lot but it was at least a nice gesture by the union for all of us 700 members.


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