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Re: Time to end labor unions
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BernieB. After I told you some non union workers make as much or more than some union workers you said to me,,On page 3 of this thread,,15 posts down,,you said  "To say that union wages compare to non union wages is complete ignorance"    If I was computer smart I would pin it up here for you.So,,my Friend   YOU are the liar. Go look,,then come back and apologize.I was raised to NOT be two things,,,a liar or a theif,,you it seems,,, were not. You THERE Bernie?  CRICKETS Yup.proved wrong and run away.Havent got a reply from you on this.Nothing to say??? If your going to call someone a liar,,and then YOU are proved the liar,dont run away and pretend it never happened.Man up.  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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  When does working for cash equate to not paying taxes?Only a crooked person would make that claim or assumption. And drawing EI when you are laid off is what it is intended for,and why workers pay into it.
 A guy I know pays his workers 300-500.00 in cash on Saturdays. Zero taxes are paid on that money, as compared to the taxes paid on their checks during the normal work week.  
 
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[quote=upstateNYU are the liar. Go look,,then come back and apologize.I was raised to NOT be two things,,,a liar or a theif,,you it seems,,, were not. Yup.proved wrong and run away.Havent got a reply from you on this.Nothing to say??? If your going to call someone a liar,,and then YOU are proved the liar,dont run away and pretend it never happened.Man up.[/quote]  ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2023/01/full-2193-163077-ignorance.jpg)  
 
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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Good one Bernie.   Why is it that people replace the diligence of critical thinking with.... "There was this one time at band camp" thinking? We use to call these "I knew a guy once" themes >>> one offs,  but now because  logical thinking in this age of information overload has been routinely replaced by  emotional thinking.... it's tricky to have a back and forth conversation before the other person calls you names. Oh well    Logical and emotional never played nice together anyway. Blessings, Mark  
 
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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I can see why an employer might pay cash for Saturdays. Work 5 10 hr days that ten hours overtime pays pretty good. Work 60 and you give half your second 10 hours of overtime to the IRS. 
 
  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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I can see why an employer might pay cash for Saturdays. Work 5 10 hr days that ten hours overtime pays pretty good. Work 60 and you give half your second 10 hours of overtime to the IRS.  If the boss is not paid in cash as well as the employee  than the boss will be paying taxes on it unless it gets worked into something  else as a wright off.       It's always aggravating when I see  about  1/3 of my overtime  checks taken for taxes and deductions.    Have a 2800$ week and take home $1900.  
 
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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I have always been able to negotiate my value to employers by myself. lol That right there is it. I always got paid ore than the union members of the companies I worked for. Why. because I was good at what I did and knew what that was worth. There is nothing wrong with telling the boss how much you want for your time and work. If they don't want to pay that, find a company that will. Its pretty simple. Now if you want half way decent  money for little work, then you may want to think about joining a union.  
 
  
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In 19 pages of arguing has anyone been persuaded one way or the other? Just curious. Doubtful,  
 
  
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  When does working for cash equate to not paying taxes?Only a crooked person would make that claim or assumption. And drawing EI when you are laid off is what it is intended for,and why workers pay into it.
 A guy I know pays his workers 300-500.00 in cash on Saturdays.  Zero taxes are paid on that money, as compared to the taxes paid on their checks during the normal work week. How do you know that "Zero taxes are paid on that money"? For some reason people assume that there is something shady about using cash? That's a crazy and a dangerous idea. That kind of thinking will make it easy to impose a cashless society. I often get paid in cash, 100% of my income is essentially cash (either green cash, or checks that are not 1099'd). I report this income to the IRS. Could I get by without reporting it? Maybe for a couple of years or so; before the IRS decides to ask me how I can afford to live without making any money. Or until the IRS audits one of those entities paying me in cash and they payor tells the IRS who those payments were made to (me). It irks me that often times wages earners aren't really aware how these things work; regardless of whether they are union or non-union employees. However, it seems that more times than not it is union folks who begrudge the non-union people (think Democrat Party).  
 
  
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In 19 pages of arguing has anyone been persuaded one way or the other? Just curious. Doubtful,  I'll check back in at 30 pages, may be some progress by then  
 
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Looks like he said you didnt know any better. Thats not quite the same as calling you a liar.
  Boco,,I would have let this go away,,however his exact words to me were "you are the biggest liar on this site,,bar none".Its on page 16 of this thread,,11 posts down.Then,,when I proved that he actualy said ,something he denied saying,,instead of maning up,,he disappeared form the post. I don't let that go.Its all in this thread,,im just not computer savvy enough to gather it all together into one post.The whole jist of the conversation was when I said I know non union workers that make as much or more than  union workers,Bernie said to think that was ignorant.Danny Clifton ,,a non union worker said he made the same as union rate,,but even got more hours.My reply was,, Bernie told me that was ignorance to say that is true.Thats when Bernie denied saying that,, and called me a liar.Its all in here,,and I hope this thread don't get axed,,because Im not trying to stir up a pot.I just will not stand by and be called a liar,,when the fact is Bernie is the liar,,and the proof is all in this thread.  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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Good one Bernie.   Why is it that people replace the diligence of critical thinking with.... "There was this one time at band camp" thinking? We use to call these "I knew a guy once" themes >>> one offs,  but now because  logical thinking in this age of information overload has been routinely replaced by  emotional thinking.... it's tricky to have a back and forth conversation before the other person calls you names. Oh well    Logical and emotional never played nice together anyway. Blessings, Mark You disappoint me Mark.I would think,,being a selfe professed man of Christ,you would look back through this thread to see who is actualy telling the TRUTH.But instead,,you agree with Bernie,,just because he shares your hatred of Unions.I would have expected more from you to be honest.Im sure that neither one of you care,,but I have lost any respect I had for either one of you.So you can go quote your scripture till your blue in the face,,but at the end of the day,instead of seeking the truth,you let your prejudice cloud your judgement.  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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Back in the days when I lived in Germany, we had a VW plant in the town near where i lived. Everyone tried to get a job at that plant because of the pay and working conditions having a union job came with. 32 hour week, back then what would be over 40 bucks an hour in todays money. 8 weeks paid holidays and a bunch of other perks. 
  Then the same folks turn around and complain about the high prices VW wants for their cars. Some folks will never get it that there is no free lunch. 
  At the time I did the repairs and maintenance on a couple of high pressure washers that were used to cut the paint of the carts that carried the bodies through their automated paint shop. Yes robots became cheaper than actual workers even then. At one point they did not want to let me on the plant grounds because I did not drive a VW work vechile.  I told them that I would not sell the Mercedes or land rover I had at the time to buy one of their brand just to work on those machines. So for a while they had to take them out and ship them to me for service and repairs. They weighed about 1200 pounds and had no wheels on them and were connected to the power with a 380 volt fixed breaker box of their own. So one of their electricians had to disconnect them and re connect them when they came back. After a year or so of that game I got a permit to come onto the plant with my vechiles.  Just because of that attitude of them I would never drive anything made by the VW group. 
 
  
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Re: Time to end labor unions
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I am not union, but I sure do enjoy a lot of really nice benefits because of unions. I had the option to join the union at my current job, I declined. The unions have done their job, it’s time for them to disband until we need them again. At this point unions are about controlling workers, carrot on a stick method. 
 
  
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My latest posts in this thread have nothing to do with union or non union.It has to do with Bernie B calling me a liar.And when I proved he turned out to be the one not telling the truth,and called him out on it twice,,he disappeared from the thread. 
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