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cable stakes/hard ground #776143
07/03/08 11:11 PM
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alot of ya know i'm a rebar man, just always used rebar. pittled with cable stakes last year, and been doin it this past week playin in the yard.
thought maybe i'd use some of both this year and speed up the line a little.

my question is, is the ground just too dang hard right now, or do yall usually have the loops pull out from the ferrule??

i didn't have any loops break on the ones i pulled up last year during season (maybe half a dozen or so), but nearly all (80%) broke loose this week. i'm blaming it on the hard ground,lol.

i've tried the cable crimped and hammered and it pulls through both ways, but the hammered lasted longer.


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Re: cable stakes/hard ground [Re: j lord] #776202
07/03/08 11:50 PM
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James I cant seem to use cable stakes either. To many rocks and roots for me. Pilot holes dont work when you have to cut them with a steam drill. The only time I can use cable stakes is in the water. Ive just givin up and kept on using drags and rebar where I have too.


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yep ... I'm a rebar man myself \:\) (i don't accept change well anyhow)

i'm on a lot of reclaimed land ... harder than rock most of the time ... first 6 to 8 feet anyhow ... lol

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we have alot of red clay and when its dry or hard its HARD, lol.

just figure i can pound in a cable stake the same amount of time as just one rebar stake and i always use two, so it'll cut that part of the time in half....

i'm going to use alot more drags this year too..... so how do you make your drags, what do you bend the rebar with or what do you use, lol. i don't want to purchase three dozen drags if i can make them easy and cheaper.....


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Re: cable stakes/hard ground [Re: j lord] #776225
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Got a heat source? Torch? If you do then you can bend your own drags from rebar without much fuss James. Got a welder? Even easier then..Many different ways to make drags. Only takes about 24"-26" of rebar to make a decent drag. You can up to ten drags from one stick..


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got a small mapp gas torch thing that i use to heat thick metals up before i weld them. i'll try it. got 2 sticks about 4' of 3/4 rebar give to me the other day and was wonderin how i could bend em to make some drags.


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Re: cable stakes/hard ground [Re: j lord] #776236
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Mapp burns pretty hot, about *3000..Not as hot as a reg torch but you can heat metal enought to bend it. 3/4" may take a while. Dig yourself a hole in the ground. Run a pipe into it from the side(metal) Get some charcoal or coal and build a fire in it. Feed air thru that pipe with a shop vac or a hair dryer. Presto! a makeshift forge. Bend metal till your hearts content. Lot faster and a lot cheaper than using up your Mapp gas too.

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Re: cable stakes/hard ground [Re: KYBOY] #776492
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Glad to see I'm not the only rebar guy out there...and much more experienced folks than I are using rebar as well \:\)

Same problems: rocks, roots, ect. I'll throw in frozen ground as well. If I have to pound in a pilot hole first befor pounding in a cable stake...might as well just pound in rebar! Plus when things are all froze up all I have to do is give the rebar a couple of twists with the wrench and out they come. No waiting till spring to dig the blasted cable out.

Definently a time and place for cable...but 98% of the time I reach for rebar instead.

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Re: cable stakes/hard ground [Re: skunkly] #776499
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Lord had you thought about using the 3/4 for the shaft of the drag (extra weight) and utilizing smaller easier bent material for the prongs of the drags. Just a thought.


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Re: cable stakes/hard ground [Re: Cletis Richards] #776515
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I can't say as I ever remember that happening to me, what exactly are you using to pull them anyhow? Are you sure you are using the right size ferrules and cable. I did have problems with the rivets in swivels on bridgers shearing off, but thats another thread.

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Try hammering on 1/4" annealed nuts J-Lord. My guess is you'll break the cable before it slips through the nut. They are call disposable for a reason sometimes, frozen ground is a reason, hard ground is another reason. lol Tight-wad! \:D

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I switched from rebar to cable about 3-4 years ago. Won't go back to rebar.I have no-till ground and lots of rock. I can usualy get them in,getting them out is another story. But a load of cable stakes wont bust the frame on my truck like a load of rebar stakes did one year.I'm slow to change but glad I switched to cable.It's the best thing since sliced bread.lol

Re: cable stakes/hard ground [Re: DFronek] #776667
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lol adc, part of it is "cheap wadness" the other part is i just cant see leaving them in someones field....its almost like littering to me, it wasn't there before i put it there so i don't want to leave them.

otis i made a stake puller from a big crowbar and a hook welded on it to pull the out. pulls mostly straight up.

skunkly, thats exactly what i'm thinkin too, because i've had to make pilot holes for these, but in the winter it might not have to be done as the ground is usually wetter, and we don't get the frozen ground thing here lol.

thanks for the tip cletis, that will work great, because i bend 3/8 rebar by sticking the end in a piece of steel pipe alot easier and just weld on the curved prongs. 'preciate that.


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