Re: .410 loads for preators
[Re: jbyrd63]
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It still comes down to you spending alot more money for TSS to do what can be done with a 12 and #4 buckshot.
I can see it for waterfowl because of the environmentalists but this is a different cat. And here is where we come full circle Typical winchester 4 buck runs around 9 or 10 bucks for a box of 5 shells, so $1.80 per shell I can load the 5/8oz tss load in 410 for right at that or maybe a couple cents less I am not spending extra money Dagger I agree with everything you just said.!! The entire point told to most of us growing up is a 12 guage is superior because of NUMBER of shot. PLUS powder behind that shot. As for the killing of all those animals I believe you. Just don't be like the creedmore man bun people >LOL I think some on this topic are questioning the WHY go to the expense? I might be wrong.
You talk about 1400 fps achieved in a 410. What can you reach in a 12 ? Like I explained above, there is no additional expense. If I loaded 2 ounces of shot in a 12 gauge then I would have additional expense, but that is just wasting shot Typically my 12 ga loads are slower than the 410 loads due the volume of shot in the wad slowing the load down. Unless you filled the whole wad up with fillers instead of shot, but then why not just shoot the 410? If everybody now understands I can have increased performance with a 410 shooting tss over a 12ga shooting lead buckshot for the same price or less I would like to go on with my day
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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And ill out shoot you with the buckshot, no ifs ands or butts when it comes to predators.
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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I know a guy who lives in a shotgun only zone for deer hunting. He says all of his hunting buddies and him shoot 20 gauge slugs over 12 gauge. He claims many more advantages with the 20.
Remember as a kid we played army and you gave up the fort so the other side got it? Of course you don't. Little kids aren't that stupid.
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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And ill out shoot you with the buckshot, no ifs ands or butts when it comes to predators.
This sounds like a challenge! I'm in, tell me when to be there and I will be there. I love showing people what the little guns are capable of. Haven't shot it in front of anyone yet that hasn't become a believer If there was a shotgun smaller than a 410 I would shoot that so you wouldn't have such a handicap
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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I won't need the whole shot string to hit like you with a .410, one or two buckshot will do if my aim ain't spot on.
Pattern density and penetration are king, shot string is somewhere way down at the bottom of the list. I have the upper hand in both pattern density and penetration
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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And ill out shoot you with the buckshot, no ifs ands or butts when it comes to predators.
This sounds like a challenge! I'm in, tell me when to be there and I will be there. I love showing people what the little guns are capable of. Haven't shot it in front of anyone yet that hasn't become a believer You are an original, that's for sure!!! lol Thinking a .410 is better than a 10 or 12 for predator hunting.
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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I won't need the whole shot string to hit like you with a .410, one or two buckshot will do if my aim ain't spot on.
Pattern density and penetration are king, shot string is somewhere way down at the bottom of the list. I have the upper hand in both pattern density and penetration It is for little shot, but I'm shooting big stuff. One will do but you don't seem to grasp that.
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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You are an original, that's for sure!!! lol
Thinking a .410 is better than a 10 or 12 for predator hunting. I'm just hard headed enough to design ways to make things happen that people say are impossible. It's the engineer in me
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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It is for little shot, but I'm shooting big stuff. One will do but you don't seem to grasp that. I have to respectfully disagree. If your aim is off and you get one pellet in the rear end or guts of that coyote you will never see him again. Pattern density wins. Just because your pellets are big doesn't mean you can afford to not have the pattern density to reliably hit the vitals
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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What's the energy of one of these tss pellets at say 40yds compared to say bb lead at same muzzle velocity . It is commonly accepted that 3.7" of penetration is required to kill a coyote. Here are some tss numbers at 1300 fps 1 oz TSS #4 shot, 83 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 78.9 yards. 1 oz TSS #3 shot, 66 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 96.8 yards. 1 oz TSS #2 shot, 54 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 115.5 yards. 1 oz TSS #1 shot, 44 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 134.7 yards. 1 oz TSS BB shot, 31 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 175.2 yards. 1-1/2 oz of lead BB shot has about 77 pellets, at 1300 fps and it gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 46.1 yards
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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1 oz TSS #2 shot, 54 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 115.5 yards. 1 oz TSS #1 shot, 44 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 134.7 yards. 1 oz TSS BB shot, 31 pellets, 3.70" of gel penetration at 175.2 yards.
How many of those could wolfie get in a 3" .410? Any of those would be devastating on a coyote at the ranges he's talking about. PS- Make me some!
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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I know a guy who lives in a shotgun only zone for deer hunting. He says all of his hunting buddies and him shoot 20 gauge slugs over 12 gauge. He claims many more advantages with the 20. Dear sweet Jesus!! Start another thread !!! But they are right ! ONE AND ONLY REASON IS RECOIL .., extra weight of the 12 drags it down to 20 gauge ballistics. After sighting in 3 of the new bolt action 20 gauge I wanted one !! But considering I got 10 boxes of Hornady sst in my safe and not a 20 anywhere to be found I didn’t. Of yea paid 6.99 at Dunham for mine . Now they are 19 bucks box
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Re: .410 loads for preators
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You are an original, that's for sure!!! lol
Thinking a .410 is better than a 10 or 12 for predator hunting. I'm just hard headed enough to design ways to make things happen that people say are impossible. It's the engineer in me Make joe Biden look smart !! You can’t make that happen
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