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Ruspushnina fur auction #7801202 02/18/23 04:00 AM 02/18/23 04:00 AM
Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 341 Siberia 🐁 T Tatiana OP "Mushroom Guru"
Tatiana OP "Mushroom Guru" T Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 341 Siberia 🐁	In case anyone's curious, they're live on Youtube right now. So far the results are a pleasant surprise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPwYQSEl5e8

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801207 02/18/23 04:27 AM 02/18/23 04:27 AM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,226 Alaska and Washington State W waggler trapper
waggler trapper W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,226 Alaska and Washington State	It will be interesting to see the averages of the various sections. I can't remember the particular section; maybe Yakutia?? that usually sell at prices similar to Alaska sables. "My life is better than your vacation"

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801268 02/18/23 07:58 AM 02/18/23 07:58 AM
Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 1,782 Wisconsin M Mad Scientist trapper
Mad Scientist trapper M Joined: Feb 2021 Posts: 1,782 Wisconsin	Dang it my translator called in sick today.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801289 02/18/23 08:30 AM 02/18/23 08:30 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,470 MN W walleye101 trapper
walleye101 trapper W Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,470 MN	Are they selling in US dollars?

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801327 02/18/23 09:16 AM 02/18/23 09:16 AM
Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 10,657 Iowa T trapdog1 trapper
trapdog1 trapper T Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 10,657 Iowa	Interesting. I hope it turned out with strong results.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801338 02/18/23 09:30 AM 02/18/23 09:30 AM
Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,054 WI N nimzy trapper
nimzy trapper N Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,054 WI	Looks like Siberia figured it out....just sayin

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801345 02/18/23 09:38 AM 02/18/23 09:38 AM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 4,333 East Texas B BTLowry trapper
BTLowry trapper B Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 4,333 East Texas	I clicked on the link, sale must be over and it was replaying. I heard sable a few times but other than that I have no idea what they were saying Also I am going to have to google sable because I thought that was an African critter that is mostly black with big horns

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: walleye101] #7801372 02/18/23 10:12 AM 02/18/23 10:12 AM
Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 341 Siberia 🐁 T Tatiana OP "Mushroom Guru"
Tatiana OP "Mushroom Guru" T Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 341 Siberia 🐁	Originally Posted by walleye101 Are they selling in US dollars? Yes, as always. Their Ruglish is more or less intelligible most of the time, so you can hear that almost all lots were sold, and a lot of the prices they are voicing are very good. This year is a major improvement compared to last year, which was disastrous. It is also interesting that unlike many trappers, many of whom didn't even bother to trap sable this year because of how disheartening, financially, last year was, local buyers across Siberia somehow knew and anticipated the increase well before the December auctions (both Sojuzpushnina and Ruspushnina) and the price they've been offering to trappers more than doubled in many cases, i.e. it's been well ahead of the inflation. Everyone in the trapping community is wondering where the fur is going, because the sanctions and embargoes cut off some of the major buyers, including Italy and Greece. Overall people here seem to agree that it's good news, meaning there is still a good market for fur... somewhere in the world

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: BTLowry] #7801384 02/18/23 10:25 AM 02/18/23 10:25 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 16,577 Goldsboro, North Carolina Paul Dobbins "Trapperman custodian"
Paul Dobbins "Trapperman custodian" Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 16,577 Goldsboro, North Carolina	Originally Posted by BTLowry I clicked on the link, sale must be over and it was replaying. I heard sable a few times but other than that I have no idea what they were saying Also I am going to have to google sable because I thought that was an African critter that is mostly black with big horns The man on day 2 of the auction spoke fairly good english - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWZbrnOAkc0&t=161s

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801389 02/18/23 10:30 AM 02/18/23 10:30 AM
Joined: May 2010 Posts: 2,686 Alaska D drasselt trapper
drasselt trapper D Joined: May 2010 Posts: 2,686 Alaska	Originally Posted by Tatiana So what are we looking at here? 4 lots of 4 each, 2 unsold, 1 sold for 135.00 (per skin presumably?) and the lot of 4 silver sable bid at $184??? you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801405 02/18/23 10:43 AM 02/18/23 10:43 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,695 ND M MJM trapper
MJM trapper M Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,695 ND	Drasselt, 184 is the lot number. Thanks for posting Tatiana. "Not Really, Not Really" Mark J Monti "MJM you're a jerk."

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: MJM] #7801423 02/18/23 10:59 AM 02/18/23 10:59 AM
Joined: May 2010 Posts: 2,686 Alaska D drasselt trapper
drasselt trapper D Joined: May 2010 Posts: 2,686 Alaska	Originally Posted by MJM Drasselt, 184 is the lot number. Thanks for posting Tatiana. Right Its early here lol you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801425 02/18/23 11:02 AM 02/18/23 11:02 AM
Joined: May 2010 Posts: 2,686 Alaska D drasselt trapper
drasselt trapper D Joined: May 2010 Posts: 2,686 Alaska	Originally Posted by Tatiana Originally Posted by drasselt So what are we looking at here? 4 lots of 4 each, 2 unsold, 1 sold for 135.00 (per skin presumably?) and the lot of 4 silver sable bid at $184??? I'm not sure what 2.2 means in this particular grading system, perhaps tone/clarity, but 184 is the lot number, 4 is the color, on the Soviet state standard 2 to 7 scale, with 2 being the darkest, and 7 the lightest (now sometimes extended to 8 and 9, because of the increased demand for lighter sable, with the color 9 including albinos/canaries), and sil. is silvering/sedina, which is the same as sprinkling in the American grading system, which is graded from 0 to 5 (0 means no white guard hairs, 5 means half of all guard hair is white). A color 4, sil. 2 sable is among the most beautiful sable colors, actually, because it is instantly recognizable as natural undyed sable yet dark enough for the sedina to be instantly visible. Higher grades of sedina still command higher prices but subjectively such skins have a grayish, grizzly appearance, and are often not as pretty as grade 2 sedina, which looks like starry night I knew the silvers were among the best, so this is a high-grade lot. Thanks! you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801430 02/18/23 11:04 AM 02/18/23 11:04 AM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 14,867 Greene County,Virginia R run trapper
run trapper R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 14,867 Greene County,Virginia	Cool thread, Tatiana! wanna be goat farmer.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801436 02/18/23 11:14 AM 02/18/23 11:14 AM
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 6,341 se South Dakota NonPCfed trapper
NonPCfed trapper Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 6,341 se South Dakota	Siberian sables are still a pine marten, more or less, correct? Do they tend to be a bit larger than North American marten?? "And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801470 02/18/23 11:54 AM 02/18/23 11:54 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,242 Oregon beaverpeeler trapper
beaverpeeler trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,242 Oregon	^^^I love it when the biologists speak on here. How refreshing! Thanks Tatiana for taking the time. I am thinking that there must be some correlation with a rebounding sable market and our apparent come back on high end western cats. Somebody has some money they want to spend. My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801482 02/18/23 12:08 PM 02/18/23 12:08 PM
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 6,341 se South Dakota NonPCfed trapper
NonPCfed trapper Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 6,341 se South Dakota	Thanks Tatiana in your explanation. My state doesn't have any martens because we don't have any real forests, except out in the western end in a low mountain area called the Black Hills. There may be some sort of population of pine marten out there, they are a protected species in the state, but few and far between. The closest martens to me is actually in northern Minnesota. I thing they're fairly thin up there as well, being on the southern or western end of the northern or boreal types of forests. We have plenty of mink here, along with a couple of species of "actual" weasels but those are less seen as the mink. That's the closest we'll ever get to sables... "And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801522 02/18/23 12:56 PM 02/18/23 12:56 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,216 Manitoba N Northof50 trapper
Northof50 trapper N Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,216 Manitoba	Thanks for the link Tatiana and the in depth story behind the species

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801536 02/18/23 01:09 PM 02/18/23 01:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,797 M.T.V. Alaska Y yukonjeff trapper
yukonjeff trapper Y Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,797 M.T.V. Alaska	I would guess China is buying them. It might be a good sign for our Marten. https://www.youtube.com/user/yukonjeffimagery/videos?disable_polymer=1

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801583 02/18/23 02:22 PM 02/18/23 02:22 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt.	I shiped a sampling to this upcoming FHA sale. Do you have any on the sale Jeff? Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: walleye101] #7801664 02/18/23 04:18 PM 02/18/23 04:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,239 Co.-Wy. part time AK. W wy.wolfer trapper
wy.wolfer trapper W Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,239 Co.-Wy. part time AK.	Originally Posted by walleye101 Are they selling in US dollars? Euro's in the past maybe USD today. Google Sojuzpushnina and you can see the results, looks like the Kamchatka's did much better than everything else, especially the ranch goods. Last edited by wy.wolfer; 02/18/23 04:21 PM.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801768 02/18/23 07:06 PM 02/18/23 07:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,226 Alaska and Washington State W waggler trapper
waggler trapper W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,226 Alaska and Washington State	Here is a comparison of the skins from different "martens" or better yet; sables. The two skins in the right (americana and caurina) are from marten I caught and had tanned many years ago. They have oxidized and become much redder than they were originally. Starting from the left is a Martes martes or pine marten from northern Sweden, next is a Martes zibellina from Siberia Russia, next is a Martes americana from Alaska, and finally a Martes caurina from Washington. The second picture is their belly sides. The two most similar are the Alaskan and the Siberian. The pine marten is definitely the coarsest. I wish the Alaska marten hadn't turned so red. It was a beautiful dark chocolate brown originally. Here is a close-up of the Siberian skin showing some white hairs sprinkled in. Sometimes I get similar skins in SE Alaska. Two years ago I had one of those skins make it in the true "Top Lot" of 20 skins out of 60,000 at Fur Harvester's. Last edited by waggler; 02/18/23 07:13 PM. "My life is better than your vacation"

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801782 02/18/23 07:19 PM 02/18/23 07:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,226 Alaska and Washington State W waggler trapper
waggler trapper W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,226 Alaska and Washington State	BTW, I know it's a hard habit to break, but North American marten are not "pine marten". It irks me a little when I sometimes even hear biologists call them that. Calling them that is akin to calling a bobcat a Canada lynx, or visa versa. Last edited by waggler; 02/18/23 07:21 PM. "My life is better than your vacation"

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801888 02/18/23 09:24 PM 02/18/23 09:24 PM
Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 7,084 MO cfowler trapper
cfowler trapper Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 7,084 MO	A lot of interesting information being shared. Good stuff. I trap for fun. I skin 'em for the money! Grinners For Life-Lifetime Member, MO Chapter, Den #1 ~You Grin, You're In~

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802315 02/19/23 01:23 PM 02/19/23 01:23 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,517 Moved to Fbks, Ak. M martentrapper trapper
martentrapper trapper M Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,517 Moved to Fbks, Ak.	Did you grow up in a family that was involved in trapping, fur selling, fur markets, Tatiana?

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802344 02/19/23 02:42 PM 02/19/23 02:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt.	We seem to get the whole range of colour here. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: martentrapper] #7802346 02/19/23 02:43 PM 02/19/23 02:43 PM
Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 341 Siberia 🐁 T Tatiana OP "Mushroom Guru"
Tatiana OP "Mushroom Guru" T Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 341 Siberia 🐁	Originally Posted by martentrapper Did you grow up in a family that was involved in trapping, fur selling, fur markets, Tatiana? Nope, I'm a de novo imposter I just try to learn what I need for my purposes, both in the woods and in the lab.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802358 02/19/23 03:09 PM 02/19/23 03:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,226 Alaska and Washington State W waggler trapper
waggler trapper W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,226 Alaska and Washington State	Boco, does that dark one have much, or any throat patch? "My life is better than your vacation"

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802430 02/19/23 05:56 PM 02/19/23 05:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt.	It had a few sprinkles of bright orange.The dark ones always seem to have bright orange throat patch. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Boco] #7802463 02/19/23 06:44 PM 02/19/23 06:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,226 Alaska and Washington State W waggler trapper
waggler trapper W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,226 Alaska and Washington State	Originally Posted by Boco It had a few sprinkles of bright orange.The dark ones always seem to have bright orange throat patch. Interesting; our darkest ones either have a white or cream colored throat patch, or practically none at all. "My life is better than your vacation"

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802465 02/19/23 06:49 PM 02/19/23 06:49 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt.	Our paler ones have yellow or cream coloured throat patches. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802546 02/19/23 08:36 PM 02/19/23 08:36 PM
Joined: May 2010 Posts: 2,686 Alaska D drasselt trapper
drasselt trapper D Joined: May 2010 Posts: 2,686 Alaska	I see both orange and white/cream and combos. Some are much brighter orange than this. you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802658 02/19/23 10:27 PM 02/19/23 10:27 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt.	Typical patch colour on the xdk here. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Boco] #7802759 02/20/23 04:46 AM 02/20/23 04:46 AM
Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 341 Siberia 🐁 T Tatiana OP "Mushroom Guru"
Tatiana OP "Mushroom Guru" T Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 341 Siberia 🐁	~

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802791 02/20/23 07:41 AM 02/20/23 07:41 AM
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 796 Labrador, Canada C crosspatch trapper
crosspatch trapper C Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 796 Labrador, Canada	Outstanding depth of information. Thank you Tatiana.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802820 02/20/23 08:42 AM 02/20/23 08:42 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 63,120 Minnesota 330-Trapper trapper
330-Trapper trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 63,120 Minnesota	Originally Posted by Tatiana Originally Posted by drasselt So what are we looking at here? 4 lots of 4 each, 2 unsold, 1 sold for 135.00 (per skin presumably?) and the lot of 4 silver sable bid at $184??? I'm not sure what 2.2 means in this particular grading system, perhaps tone/clarity, but 184 is the lot number, 4 is the color, on the Soviet state standard 2 to 7 scale, with 2 being the darkest, and 7 the lightest (now sometimes extended to 8 and 9, because of the increased demand for lighter sable, with the color 9 including albinos/canaries), and sil. is silvering/sedina, which is the same as sprinkling in the American grading system, which is graded from 0 to 5 (0 means no white guard hairs, 5 means half of all guard hair is white). A color 3 or 4, sil. 2 sable is among the most beautiful sable colors, actually, because it is instantly recognizable as natural undyed sable yet dark enough for the sedina to be instantly visible. Higher grades of sedina still command higher prices but subjectively such skins have a grayish, grizzly appearance, and are often not as pretty as grade 2 sedina, which looks like starry night in a garment:) here's a close-up of a Yakutian color 4 sable with grade 2 sedina: Excellent explanation NRA and NTA Life Member www.BackroadsRevised@etsy.com

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802929 02/20/23 11:07 AM 02/20/23 11:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,226 Alaska and Washington State W waggler trapper
waggler trapper W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,226 Alaska and Washington State	Very interesting information Tatiana, thank you. Here is a picture of a couple SE Alaska marten caught a couple of weeks ago. Notice one of them has a white tipped tail. Occasionally a white footed one is caught . "My life is better than your vacation"

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: waggler] #7802982 02/20/23 12:38 PM 02/20/23 12:38 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,629 alaska 3 3 Fingers trapper
3 Fingers trapper 3 Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,629 alaska	Originally Posted by waggler Occasionally a white footed one is caught . I see that also. Had one this year. This thread is great

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7803294 02/20/23 07:56 PM 02/20/23 07:56 PM
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 796 Labrador, Canada C crosspatch trapper
crosspatch trapper C Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 796 Labrador, Canada	Odd one here too with white boots.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7803413 02/20/23 10:10 PM 02/20/23 10:10 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt.	Get the odd one here with orange toes and white tipped tails. I take the smaller less desireable colours and tan them myself for private sale. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

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