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San people hunting in the Kalahari #7827666
03/23/23 04:45 PM
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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7827695
03/23/23 05:49 PM
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I have read that they are taught to track quarter sized tortoises that were given a days head start. They don't get to eat or drink till they catch it.

They use beetle larvae from the Cryidasala Beetle, so toxic that a scratch will still lead to death.


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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7827782
03/23/23 07:58 PM
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These guys are the real deal.

Their endurance method is just nuts to watch. No weapons.....just amazing human brains and efficient bodies.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7827854
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Count me as skeptical.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7827856
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There's an article out there of a guy trying to do this with pronghorn, long story short he trained and tried for years and was never successful

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7827875
03/23/23 10:15 PM
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Marty,

Let's try it?

You bring your spear, and African hunting shoes, I'll provide the black bear track, and film you.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7827876
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That was great Danny, thanks for sharing.

Cabeza de Vaca in his journal describes the hunting method the native Americans used when he landed somewhere on the Louisiana coast. He describes in detail how the hunters would run white-tailed deer down to hunt them. They pretty much just ran them to death. WTD are good for short distances, but cannot endure the long game. Back then, the forests had never seen a saw or an axe and a hunter could probably see for a long ways in some of the areas to chase his quarry. There are some natives in the Andes mountains that are still the best runners in the world because their lungs are adapted to the high altitude, and they can endure things no ordinary man can.

Not a doubt in my mind, those San people and their ancestors hunted this way. Truly extraordinary people.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: Marty B] #7827887
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Originally Posted by Marty B
Count me as skeptical.


That you could do it or the bushman could do it? Trust me, we are all on board with one of those statements!


Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -Albert Einstein
Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7827889
03/23/23 10:24 PM
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gives 'run em down' a whole new meaning. Kudos to those fellas....no women doing that there eh? smile


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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7827890
03/23/23 10:25 PM
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I've sent this and similar to people who wanna get on a high horse and say something inst hunting but their way is.
O, thermal hunting isnt real hunting ? O so you must Hunt like these guys in the Kalahari..... No you just sit in a box stand with a heater over a food plot ? Thought so so shut it laugh

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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7827894
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We are so removed from reality in this country, that none of us truly understand what it takes to survive and raise a family by primitive means.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7827944
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Of all the many things I saw on my one and only african safari - without a doubt, the trackers were the most amazing. If one of them had said they could track the shadow a crow had made as it flew over - I would have believed them.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7828012
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
There's an article out there of a guy trying to do this with pronghorn, long story short he trained and tried for years and was never successful


In the book , "Born to Run", there's a guy who did just that. The account and research leading up to it is fascinating. Paul Schaefer , a late bowyer and bow hunter of renown , once made a marginal hit on an antelope and essentially persistence hunted it down . Took him , I wanna say, eight miles.


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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7828092
03/24/23 08:55 AM
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Running on two feet is more efficient than running on four? Just one of the issues I have with this video. What's to keep the kudu from rejoining the herd? Also, the ancients didn't have running shoes and socks. I don't buy it. Just plain sensationalism TV is all it is.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: BernieB.] #7828100
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Running on two feet if more efficient than running on four? Just one of the issues I have with this video. Also, the ancients didn't have running shoes and socks. I don't buy it.



Good point. Heck anyone can run a kudu to ground if they wear a pair of desert Jordanís.

On another note, when I was a kid late 60ís I saw a show about a guy in maybe upstate New York who would wait on a fresh snow then run whitetail bucks down. Shot em with his rifle as they gradually held longer and longer looking back. Does that count?

Osky


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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7828120
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Osky, I knew a guy that bow hunted mule deer like that. He didnt run just kept making it get up all day. he did not get every one but he got some dandys. After while some bucks would let him get within bow range. I dont think they were exhausted just curious.

The guy that ran that Kudu to exhaustion overheated it. He had a jug of water. The animal tried to shade up and he did not let that happen.

I cant run 25 miles in 2 hours but marathoners do it regularly.

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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7828135
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In Spain, the Spanish would run down red legged partridge in the heat. I went with one and we ran one down. You ran after them when they flew and, just kept up when they ran. He said it wore them out more to run. They would catch them and cage them. I would guess it is common across Europe. A red legged partridge is very close to a Chucker Partridge. Size, habits and only slightly different color.


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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7828139
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In 1755, at the age of 17 or 18, James Smith was captured by Native Americans in the vicinity of Fort Necessity. He spent 4 years as a captive and adoptee. In his account of his time with the tribe Smith recounts an attempt made to run down a horse, an animal the Indians were not particularly familiar with at the time, but expected to be successful based on their experience with deer. They were completely unsuccessful in the attempt. This shows that it is highly dependent upon the capabilities of the animal being pursued relative to the capabilities of those in pursuit, and external characteristics don't always tell the story. The Indians were running down deer, sans modern running shoes, but had no chance of catching a horse.

Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: BernieB.] #7828179
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Running on two feet is more efficient than running on four? Just one of the issues I have with this video. What's to keep the kudu from rejoining the herd? Also, the ancients didn't have running shoes and socks. I don't buy it. Just plain sensationalism TV is all it is.



You'd think , but there's one factor you're missing . Us , humans, have the unique ability to drink water and stay on the move at the same time. And unlike other mammals , our bodies do an excellent job of shedding heat. Much better than many other animals.

The socks and shoes ( especially modern running shoes ) are awful and prone to leading to injuries. If we'd grown up running around in a similar environment , the muscles in our feet and ankles would be so much more developed .

Quick point, I was a distance runner throughout school and early into my military . Later, I began to have tendonitis in my feet and knee issues. Turns out , I had flat feet and the solutions were thick insoles and different shoes. That was wrong. About 12 years ago , I had Dr. recommend that I run barefoot on a treadmill until my form changed and once I was running outside , to wear shoes that had the least amount of padding in the soles as possible. That was a game changer.


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Re: San people hunting in the Kalahari [Re: danny clifton] #7828186
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