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"Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space #7856937
04/30/23 10:40 PM
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The Rus had between 10 and 20 big bombers up tonight (remember the war zone is 7 hours ahead of North American eastern time) launching cruise missiles, as well as Black Sea fleet (including subs) dropping them in as well. Not hitting the electrical system but parts of the battle space where the AFU is gathering supplies and troops for the grand spring or summer offensive. The Ukie battle space SAMs have pretty much been eliminated and recent western systems are either not enough to replace the losses or kept around Kiev, Lvov, and other important cities. The Rus are also increasing their use of their style JDAM glide bombs launched closer to the target than the cruise missiles but still miles away from the targets. The Bakhmut meat grinder is about over, the AFU hold less than 10% of the built up area of the city.

Maybe tomorrow the western corporate media will report a hospital, school, or apartments hit and that's about all. I truly feel bad for the AFU guys that get pounded. It didn't have to go this path but the "grand game" had to be played by people who have no blood on the line...


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
Genesis 1:26
Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7856975
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How can this be? MSM said Russia ran out of bombs months ago, Putin was on his death bed with cancer, and Ukraine was winning!! MSM wouldn't lie to us and I believe everything they say without question.

Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7856985
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Main stream media is a lesson in unity,..given it's effectiveness and its affirmation and assurances displayed,..I could see where one would feel glued to their narrative. That should not be the case,.one should employ critical thinking and question.

Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7856987
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People laugh at the old Tu-95 Bear because its a turbo prop and not a cool jet like the similar age B-52. But it appears to be a pretty decent cruise missile carrier, especially when its just flying around it own airspace shooting outward. Probably doesn't cost old mad, bad Vlad much to keep those things flying...

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"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
Genesis 1:26
Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7857002
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It's kind of fascinating watching the propaganda machine in action.


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Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7857036
05/01/23 06:11 AM
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Still waiting for Hair Sniffer to blame Trump!!! Notice how Vlad behaved under Trump!!!


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7857051
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Aircraft have a time maintenance program. Even in Russia. After a set number of hours things get replaced while they still work. Old aircraft are not cheap to keep airworthy. A 40 year old plane has very few parts that were in service when it came from the factory. Not even rivets. Turbo props use less fuel than a jet and turbo fans use less than turbo props. A turbo prop or turbo fan is simply a jet engine driven prop or fan.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7857054
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Our B52's use water injection to increase thrust for take off. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The weight of the air foced out the back of a jet creates thrust. The water dumped into the intake creates heavier air. That white smoke streaming out behind buff during take off is steam. We still use them BTW. They have a lot more electronic anti detection on board now, not really stealthy, but still effective and still in use.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7857072
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Where is Ukraine getting its man power from? they must be using kids and old people by now or they must be running out of fighters soon......jk


Free people are not equal. Equal people are not free. What's supposed to be ain't always is. Hopper Hunter
Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7857073
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Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7857101
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[quote][Where is Ukraine getting its man power from? they must be using kids and old people by now or they must be running out of fighters soon..../quote]

A lot of older guys. There's a Ukie youtube site called "hromadske" that makes high quality videos where they go and interview soldiers. You'll see lots of 50+ year old guys in them. The young man cohort, especially say 18 to 22 is fairly low. People have been leaving Ukraine since 1991 when the borders opened up, more left after 2014, and bunch more left early last year. You'll see some young guys in various videos but more mid-30s and on up.

There are also a lot of short videos of forced conscription, of AFU guys grabbing men off of the streets, stores, where ever. I think a lot of those is where the guy has recevied a conscription order but has not gone but there are a few videos of mass conscriptions out of say a single village. There are rumors that the Kiev government is rounding up the Ukrainians who speak Russian as a first language more than the western Ukies who speak Ukrainian as a first language. How the AFU keeps the unwilling new soldiers in the front lines from deserting or surrendering, well people won't believe me so I won't even say it.


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
Genesis 1:26
Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7857111
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I see the Rootin'-Tootin'-Putin-Fanbois on Trapperman are still at it! crazy

Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7857113
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This hromadske video was from last fall. What do you think the average age is of this 3-man tank crew...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmB2_yTSf8c

This one was from a coupe of weeks ago. The driver is one determined guy to get and keep going. Go to the last 4 minutes or so when they are in the larger ambulance hauling away the 4 less hurt guys. The youngest one is probably early-to-md-40s. By the way, the high rise apartment with the mural of the mom holding the child in the air seen when the driver rounds that area in his two evac trips has been flattened, probably by the AFU themselves to give fields of fire to the west as the lines have grown tighter. This area of the high rise apartments in a sort of square is one of the last stands of the AFU in Bakhmut. itself. Tens of thousands of casualties on both sides fighting for this smaller city (70,000 people before 2022).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_OAI2XbpO4&t=167s


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
Genesis 1:26
Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: Kre] #7857130
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Originally Posted by Kre
I see the Rootin'-Tootin'-Putin-Fanbois on Trapperman are still at it! crazy

It has nothing to do with Rootin-Tootin, Putin or being a Fanbois. It is about the media lying to the American people, the Government run media.


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Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7857134
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Those super sanctions on Russia are having a devastating effect,,,,,,,,,,,,,not on Russia

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Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7857136
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
People laugh at the old Tu-95 Bear because its a turbo prop and not a cool jet like the similar age B-52. But it appears to be a pretty decent cruise missile carrier, especially when its just flying around it own airspace shooting outward. Probably doesn't cost old mad, bad Vlad much
to keep those things flying...


Yeah, and they fly on nitro diesel and not kerosene, and can carry up to 102% of their takeoff weight in fuel, contributing to their insane range. Their diesels also produce the trademark "tractor" noise and electromagnetic pulses detrimental to the communication equipment of enemy interceptor jets and even submarines. This property has been the key idea behind the the anti-submarine modification called Tu-142. Moreover, two of Tu-95's NK-12 engines are electric (NK-12E) and are used in the stealth cruising mode when the aircraft is on the way to a secret launch location. Fully armed, they can get up to 42% of the power in their electrical systems from the decay of uranium in the warheads. Also, its refueling probe is made of titanium and can be shot as a harpoon, to leech on enemy KC-135's and stay airborne for months. Some crews end up reaching retirement age in mid-air.

Seriously though they are impressive and elegant machines. I've seen them together with B-52's in Moscow back when it was still possible. It is sad, however, to have to see them used in actual combat, and not just cruising along the borders. They're almost unseen here in the center of the country so spotting one in the wild is rare. I photographed this one from my window a few years ago, far away (this picture is the best a 420 mm lens could do).

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Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: NonPCfed] #7857199
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Russia cant beat us(NATO)
Look at the hard time they are having right now,and we arent even all in yet.


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Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: Kre] #7857247
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Originally Posted by Kre
I see the Rootin'-Tootin'-Putin-Fanbois on Trapperman are still at it! crazy




To start I figured Russian would roll right over them. And didn't give it much thought. Then the media campaign started and we started giving billions in cash and weapons. Out media Is Ukraine, Ukraine go go go.... then I read up in the history becuse out media and government has a tendency to bold face lie often and media goes right along with the lie.

Either you looked into it and are semi informed or are buying what the government and media is selling you hook line and sinker

Z. If you are buying it you must also buy 100% covid started in a wet market, that the Vax and mask will keep you safe while demanding others wear a mask and be vexed becuse you have so litle faith in your mask and vax to protect you. You must also think all the people with a heart issue after getting vaxed is an unrelated issue.

You see Demicrats normally can't have a debate using reasion and logic. Instead they go to name calling like homofobe, racist, putian lover ect.... becuse thay do not have that ability to present or discuss an issue in a rational reasonable manner. You often see them riding in their car alone with 3 or 4 mask on.
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We have a few on trapper man they out themselves without realizing it.

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Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: Tatiana] #7857252
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I love those beasts, wouldve liked to got to an air show and see one. Could be a while now.


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Re: "Shock and Awe" tonight in the battle space [Re: Boco] #7857253
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Originally Posted by Boco
Russia cant beat us(NATO)
Look at the hard time they are having right now,and we arent even all in yet.


Come out of the bush and pay attention to how the current administration is weakening my country. You know 90% of Nato weapons and funding. We don't even have a chemical plant right now to supply the chemicals needed to produce the explosives or our stock of weapons we gave Ukraine and Afghanistan.
Russia China Iran north Korea and several more are building better relationships and making g deale while we are cutting off our own legs.

If you think NATO will do much to protect you without the US and the US is rotting from within and dying so little hope there.

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