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how many are in stand your ground states? #7879966
06/07/23 07:21 PM
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Philippines, s.e. asia,ohio
west river rogue Offline OP
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Ohio was #36,,things are really getting deadly here in Columbus area. I dont want to take a life ,but its gotten to where I carry some. Ive had a carry permit for 33 yrs but never carried. Only on trapline!

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7879967
06/07/23 07:28 PM
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Fredonia, PA.
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PA here. Had the castle doctrine for quite awhile now.


I BELIEVE IN MY GOD, MY COUNTRY AND IN MYSELF.
Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7879968
06/07/23 07:31 PM
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Philippines, s.e. asia,ohio
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Yup,,cpl yrs here or so. 3 i think

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7879970
06/07/23 07:33 PM
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Georgia
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Georgia is pretty clear on it. If you are legit being where you're standing and not up to no good then you don't have to take a step back before opening fire.


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Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7879971
06/07/23 07:34 PM
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Philippines, s.e. asia,ohio
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here too.

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7879974
06/07/23 07:49 PM
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eastern WV
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wv here it doesn't matter, falls somewhere between the right to keep and bare arms, the pursuit of happiness and marbury v. madison

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7879977
06/07/23 07:53 PM
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Better have insurance. It'll still cost a lot to prove yourself innocent.

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7879981
06/07/23 07:59 PM
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Georgia
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In spite of the impending doom of being a purple state local DAs over most of the state are pretty good at common sense and aren't prone to drag good folks into court for political reasons. But you are correct the potential for pulling trigger could be far worse than killing something that needed killing.

If you live in Atlanta, Savanah, Athens or Columbus though you better hope there's not a disparity of melanin involved.


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Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: Mando] #7879984
06/07/23 08:04 PM
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Fredonia, PA.
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Originally Posted by Mando
Better have insurance. It'll still cost a lot to prove yourself innocent.

X2


I BELIEVE IN MY GOD, MY COUNTRY AND IN MYSELF.
Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7879995
06/07/23 08:19 PM
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Oakland, MS
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MS has Castle Doctrine. Most times those shooting someone that can even remotely be considered self defense never even get charged.


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Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7879997
06/07/23 08:21 PM
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Oakland, MS
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Yep is a stand your ground state.


Some individuals use statistics as a drunk man uses lamp-posts — for support rather than for illumination.

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Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880003
06/07/23 08:43 PM
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yes castile doctrine

there are always a few caveats

the reasonable belief of death or great bodily harm is always required.

you need to be in a place you are supposed to be meaning you wave your right if you are in the commission of a crime.

you can't be the instigator , meaning you can't go picking a fight to get some one to come at you so you draw and shoot them

here is a good explanation of the Wisconsin law

https://www.grievelaw.com/WisconsinGun/Laws/CastleDoctrineExplained

The court or jury may no longer consider whether the actor (a homeowner in his home, business owner or operator in their business or motorist in their motor vehicle) had the opportunity to flee. You may now "stand your ground" in these locations. If someone breaks in the front door of your dwelling, or is in the process of breaking in the front door, you do not need to flee out the back door; instead you may choose to stand your ground and the new law shall presume you reasonably believed lethal force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm.

With Castle Doctrine, when someone uses force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm (such as shooting another person) in the course of defending themselves they have civil immunity from prosecution. This is known as "stand your ground" protection. It presumes the person is otherwise not breaking the law themselves and believes they were in reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm when someone unlawfully and forcibly entered their dwelling, motor vehicle or place of business.

Translation: you no longer have to wait until that 3 A.M. bedroom intruder puts a knife at your throat before employing deadly force to stop the threat.

It is important to understand what Castle Doctrine does not do. It does not allow a person to use lethal force against an invited dinner guest who remarks that your wife's meatloaf is overdone, or that your beer is too warm. Hopefully, that went without saying, and if it came as a surprise then I strongly urge you to contact one of our Milwaukee firearm attorneys sooner rather than later.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880004
06/07/23 08:44 PM
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Killingly, CT
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CT: Castle doctrine - yes
Stand your ground - no

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880011
06/07/23 08:57 PM
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Oregon
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sorry - i am in a bend over and take it state.

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880021
06/07/23 09:09 PM
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2A Sanctuaries-W. OK & N. NM
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Stand your ground, castle and make my day here is my recollection. You have to meet elements and there are exceptions. I haven't followed every development because if someone is trying to kill or hurt you, my personal philosophy is that I should shoot them. More than once.

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880026
06/07/23 09:19 PM
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Not this state, if you shoot someone in self defense here, you can be sure you will be charged with manslaughter at a minimum. If your defense lawyer sucks, you will be charged with murder. Probly have a better chance with two bullet holes and an ambulance than a gun and jury here.


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Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880030
06/07/23 09:24 PM
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se SD
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I live in SD that is all that I need to say


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Fish on !!!!!!!



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Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880031
06/07/23 09:26 PM
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ohio
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Originally Posted by west river rogue
Ohio was #36,,things are really getting deadly here in Columbus area. I dont want to take a life ,but its gotten to where I carry some. Ive had a carry permit for 33 yrs but never carried. Only on trapline!

I have a strange feeling that DeWine passed the Constitutional law for a set up.
No permit to conceal carry in Ohio.
Seen at least three road rage shootings in the last couple of weeks.
Not going into any details .


We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880032
06/07/23 09:26 PM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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I think here in Maryland we have to retreat to the furthest point from the threat first.


-Goofy-
Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7880051
06/07/23 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I think here in Maryland we have to retreat to the furthest point from the threat first.


Unless you're a body guard for the government !


We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880053
06/07/23 09:55 PM
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here in ks you can even defend property to the point thats reasonable. i think it was written that way so a jury would decide in lethal force over property.

no requirement to back down to protect anyone. especially not in your home


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880075
06/07/23 10:38 PM
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New Hampshire
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“Live Free or Die “ ....nuff sed..


It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880094
06/07/23 11:05 PM
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49th State
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I do not need a law telling me it is okay to fight for the lives of my family and myself.

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880102
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North East Kansas
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I stand my ground anywhere


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Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880131
06/08/23 01:25 AM
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Champaign County, Ohio.
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Susan Lorincz just found out that the "Castle Doctrine" and "Stand Your Ground" don't apply if your community, in this case Ocala, Florida, is trying to avoid being looted and burnt to the ground.

Keith

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880207
06/08/23 07:16 AM
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Kentucky
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Kentucky has castle doctrine, stand your ground, no permit needed to carry concealed & can own all the class 3 stuff.


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Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #7880208
06/08/23 07:18 AM
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Philippines, s.e. asia,ohio
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Kentucky has castle doctrine, stand your ground, no permit needed to carry concealed & can own all the class 3 stuff.


Same here

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880241
06/08/23 08:08 AM
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I have insurance, there are tons of lowlife lawyers who will sue the shoes off you. You can get away with shooting someone if you do it in Sante Fe on a movie set! I have been told at a concealed carry class to retreat even in your own home, so I bought insurance!

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880305
06/08/23 10:12 AM
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I think it's still on the books here I know walker put it on.

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: Mando] #7880310
06/08/23 10:25 AM
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Tennessee
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Originally Posted by Mando
Better have insurance. It'll still cost a lot to prove yourself innocent.


Or a tractor with a front loader / backhoe to make holes in the ground.


I hate paperwork


Let's go Brandon

"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880311
06/08/23 10:27 AM
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Here in MN, it's best to avoid shooting someone regardless of the circumstances because liberal MN is notorious for letting the guilty go unpunished and the innocent get punished.


The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880342
06/08/23 11:08 AM
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The Hill Country of Texas
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I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried to the grave by 6.

Ayoob Massad (sp?) has a super video on YouTube (Wilson Combat) regarding post self defense shooting interviews with the police. His wisdom could keep you out of court if you ever have to put some never do weller.


“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.”
Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers


Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880345
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“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.”
Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers


Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880354
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I know we've had the castle doctrine for years. I remember many years ago here, a guy shooting another off his porch...through the screen door and nothing happened to him.

Our stand your ground is newer tho and I can't recall anyone using it, so who knows how good it is?

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880361
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Originally Posted by west river rogue
Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Kentucky has castle doctrine, stand your ground, no permit needed to carry concealed & can own all the class 3 stuff.


Same here

Yeah, Ohio has it right & I salute them on their freedom.


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Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880365
06/08/23 11:25 AM
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Leftlane. Thats good stuff ! I share a range with = County Task Force guys. But would NEVER give a statement without my lawyer present no matter what

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880369
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Guess it’s all in where you live in your State. I’d deal with the Sheriff if I had to defend myself and would probably get a steak dinner afterwards.

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: Tom Fisher] #7880372
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Originally Posted by Tom Fisher
I have insurance, there are tons of lowlife lawyers who will sue the shoes off you. You can get away with shooting someone if you do it in Sante Fe on a movie set! I have been told at a concealed carry class to retreat even in your own home, so I bought insurance!


If I am home, the scumbag will be looking down the barrel of a gun. No retreat.

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: steeltraps] #7880375
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Leftlane. Thats good stuff ! I share a range with = County Task Force guys. But would NEVER give a statement without my lawyer present no matter what



I do understand that. A buddy of mine joined one of those pre-paid defense clubs for a potential defensive shooter. One of their lawyers suggested the shooter ask for an ambulance (any questions from that point would basically be inadmissible.)

I thought the idea had merit. You could basically advise Leo's of the things went over in the video while putting off further questions until your lawyer met you at the ER.


“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.”
Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers


Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: Leftlane] #7880379
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Leftlane. So LEOs on here want like me saying this. BUT. When a officer is involved in a fatal shooting. Most of the time. The FOP or city or county of that officer will INSIST that that officer take 24 to 48 hrs to make a official statement. Why is that a union thing? I have been told it lets the officer calm down and make a better statement ? WHY would the victim not want to do the same???

Re: how many are in stand your ground states? [Re: west river rogue] #7880399
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I think you are making an excellent point Steel Traps. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander.


“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.”
Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers


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