Anyone shoot it? Use it for hogs/predators?
If so what brand?
I recently ordered a box of Becks 180gr. Haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet, my son is supposed to take it with him this week and verify we’re getting a “round” hole on paper and then trying a suppressor they have at the shop. I’ll be getting the exact same suppressor so we’re just going to see how quiet it is and what kind of groups we can get. Hoping to use these for night hunting.

I have a bolt action 300 BO that I've been fooling with. The Hornady 190 Sub-X are just OK when it comes to noise. Mine is a Yankee Hill Resonator. I have some Hornady 90 grain XTP I've been trying to work a load up for, but most of the published data is for Trail Boss which is not being produced currently. Unique should work but I'm afraid it's going to be dirtier than I want to fool with. Finally got a pound of Red Dot but my first test loads were just above the thresh hold for subsonic. The XTP are supposed to expand at subsonic velocities.

I'm kind of spoiled, I have a Sparrow on a .22 LR and it's stupid quiet. CCI subs are quiet (1050 fps) and the CCI Quiet (750 FPS) are much better.

I’ll try and get him to record some shots when he takes it to try out. If it’s what I’m wanting I’ll get him to go ahead sight it in for gun B that way I can use regular ammo under Gun A and when the suppressor gets here just change the scope to Gun B and be ready to go. Hoping on a windy night it will give us the opportunity for multiple shots in the woods.

Sub sonic ammo sucks for hunting other than small game. Shoots like a rainbow and terminally sucks. Your better off with a bow or x bow. Supper sonic is better for killing things. If your can is good well my daughter's 7mm08 sounds like a 22mag with 2900fps with out SAS Arbiter. Shot it all day without ear pro and no ringing.

Unlesd your range will be very close and your taking head shots subsonic ammo is NOT good for hunting. It won't expand and delivers no shock. Even the Hornady marketed as expanding subsonic does not expand it just flatensnout the nose.

I'm sure you will have to discover this for yourself but you will come to the same conclusion if your honest with yourself.

I've killed several turkeys with subsonic shotshell ammo

You can kill a turkey with about anything. You don't need much penetration in a 3" neck and head and they don't flop far with head/neck shots. No where near the same as shooting a pig or deer.

Guess I will. I did a lot of research on the bullets I bought, and they do expand. At least on every video I watched
I’ve had one shot over 100yds so far and that’s only because he caught our wind on the stalk and started running. Most shots are 75yds or less.
It’s sorta difficult, for me, to shoot my bow in the dark as I can’t see pins or what I’m shooting at. I wouldn’t think predators would be thick enough to stop even subsonic. And I’m hoping a behind the shoulder on a pig will still pack enough punch to be terminal. A head shot, which most of our shots are, then they should perform there as well.

Hogs will hear subsonic ammo even through a good suppressor. Dont worry with subsonic for hunting. Just find standard velocity that is hearing safe. Suppressors are best suited to making ammo hearing safe - not quiet it so much game cant hear it.

Haha, not so much for the game pursued as it is for the subtlety on the land. It would be nice if it allows for multiple shots, but it’s nicer if landowners and surrounding landowners don’t hear shots ringing out through the night.

I use a lot of CCI subsonic .22 ammo on my coyote trapline. Doesn’t wake the neighbors as much when I run sets in the wee hours.
Works just fine at very close distances, on anything I’ve needed it for.
Jim

A good suppressor will get regular ammo quiet enough people won't hear it inside their home unless you are in their yard by the window. Game often can't tell where the shot came from and will come to us after the shot.

I can often hear the bullet hit the deer it sounds like an arrow hitting them.

Not trying to rain on your parade just give you more realistic expectations. I love suppressors. Subsonic ammo has its place. Close shots and pin point accurate. Things I learned over the last decade and a half shooting vanimals with diff ammo with supressors.

For comparison my 10 year old shot a squirl this morning with his .22 sv hp at 1050fps and supressor. I was 80 yards away still clearly heard him shoot and the bullet smack the squirrel. Bigger guns with subs and bigger bullet make more noise. I clearly heard it from 80 yards and I need to get hearing aids. Any animal within shooting range will hear the shot better than I can.

As far as using a bow I also said x bow that would work for you. But I was saying a broad head will have better preformance. More damage and better blood trail. I also clearly said close shots with known distance so you can make pin point accurate shots with the rainbow trajectory heavy subs have.

I don't believe for a second your geting the expansion you think you are or it's 1/100 as good as a full speed bullet will have. It won't have the shock either. Sure the will kill hogs . You just may not find them. That mat not be a problem for you?

I also prefer to recover what's shot and not loose them. There is very few situations where you will benefit from the lower report from subsonics. And even fewer of those legal.

Want to get to shoot and hear a bunch of cans next Saturday be at red hill rang in GA. My NFA talk buddies are having a silincer metering event. People bring their kit and meter it. Get v real # not just the manufacturer published info.
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I appreciate the advice but you’re taking this way too serious. I don’t much worry about finding anything in the dark. If it drops great. If not, the buzzards generally let me know the next afternoon. I want something quiet and I “believe” I’ve found it. I’ll know more once it’s tested. I’m not going on Safari with this nor have I promoted it, lol. Just want something thing to shoot once the sun goes down and not draw attention. If you were implying I engage in anything illegal, you were mistaken. We have open season 24/7/365 day or night on hogs and coyotes. I don’t need to shoot deer at night, lol. I can shoot enough of those during the day to keep me busy. Besides, from what I’ve seen with deer at night, there’s not much sport in it. I’ve about been walked on by deer and I’m standing looking at them through the scope. Don’t move and you can pet them.
So to the original question…how many hogs or predators have you shot with subsonic? What were your results?

I know enough to stay away from your every day manufacturer, their stuff rarely works as advertised, that was the question of which brand ammo. I found a manufacturer that specializes in subsonic and bought a box to try. I’m looking for others to research and possibly try.

As far as deer hunting, I’ll stick to the old Mathews or my regular hunting rifle. And I can’t go anywhere right now, think it’ll be another 2 weeks before given the ok to drive and even before that happens I still have to get to where I can get in my truck. It’s nothing fancy nor is it jacked up, just maybe a size or two bigger tires than stock. I’m doing good getting in and out of the Wife’s Honda right now and she refuses to go down any dirt road in her car.

Thanks, I’ll give them a look.

I've shot some handloaded 500 gr. cast bullets, subsonic out of my 45/70. No they don't expand that well, but at that size they still pack a punch at the ranges you are talking and work fine on game. I never shot them through a suppressor, I was just playing around with casting bullets and handloading different loads.

Had a guy shoot a bear with a suppressed 45 ACP one time, head shot it, but it expanded nicely. On the other hand I've had a couple hunters shoot bears with factory ammo for 300 blackouts and when I found the bullet it looked like I could have washed it in the sink and reloaded it. Killed the bears fine though, because shot placement was good. One of those bullets is sitting here on my computer desk, I don't know what the exact ammo was, but it looks like an all copper hollowpoint boattail.

Haha, 500gr just thrown at someone would leave a mark.

I’m going to play with a .300BO soon, but I don’t think that would be the rifle I grab for bear, lol. Then again, pick your shot and a .22 would probably work. Thanks for the reply.

We’ll be playing with a .300BO soon. Want to see what I can come up with for the .308 first then play with that.
Worst case scenario is regular ammo suppressed. Just wanting to play around with subsonic and see what it can do.
Before surgery I was shooting 165gr Brownings with good results. Didn’t lose a pig or coyote. I now have some Core Lokts in 168gr, I believe, I want to try out and the suppressed bullets once the suppressor ever comes in. That should be here early next Spring.

ve shot a lot of coyots we don't have pigs. I also don't hunt at night no thermal or nv an don't like lights.

Just plan for reactions like they were hit with a bow or large cal air gun and less bleeding and trauma since that 1 1/8 3 blade will do more damage. You will still get some that drop but that will be the exception .Holes in important parts will always kill them and if it's a pest and running off is no issue there is no problem. Now central nervous system shots drt like anything with else. I played the get as quiet as I can game a few years still do with small game just didn't think the small noise reduction was worth the
Huge preformance reduction or the rainbow trajectory after a few years. But I also mostly hunt game animals not pest and quick clean kills and fast recovery are a priority. I also have had the privilege of hearing my kids shoot animals in a known location when I'm in another some distance away so know how it sounds 100 and 1/4 mile away not just beside someone or shooting the shot myself. That gives me more an idea on how it sounds to others. It really cool to hear the bullet hit deer with supper sonic ammo. When my youngest son his first deer at 7 it was 97 yards. He shot the 7mm08 the deer disappeared. He asked" did I get it" I could only tell him yes you hit it I heard the bullet hit, I didn't see it run off so I'm betting it droped. It did and was laying there when we walked up. Had that Been subs A. I probably would not have let him shoot that far. B. I would have had a tracking job had he shot it.

When they shot one with supers 400 yards away(distance between a couple deer stands on the farm) I hear the shot but can't tell if it was someone with a .22 or someone a farm or to way down the road that shot. It's so quiet I don't know it was one of the kids tell they txt me and tell me they killed one. It's also hard to pinpoint where it came from.

I imagine your experience will match mine except piga are tougher and bigger. I have only ever killed one and shot it spine/ high shoulder with hand loaded barns tsx naturally it droped. The rest scattered but in a few mins came back out to the feeder and were rooting around trying to get under the deed one for the corn under it. A sub round would have done the same thing at 35 yards in a known distance end location. The pigs would still have scattered the sound of the bullet strike and gun is still easy to hear especially when the bullet strikes the animal right next to you.

And no I was not implying you did anything illegal. People are so quick to get offended. I was saying exactly what I wrote . There are very few things/ situations that will benefit from the noise reduction of subs over suppers. Adc in sensitive areas would be one, the other would be a hit man. You may do adc but I bet your not a hit man.

So all that just to say what I said in the first post. Subs suck, they are only good for close range and when you can make pin point shots if you want a quick kill and recovery. They still make noise and will still be heard easily by other animals , you will lose killing power and suppers and a good can are not drastically louder, shoot flater and kill faster and cleaner. Fast clean kills and recovery are my game . If your ok with the Buzzards letting you know you got a kill you have different requirements Than I do.

I know it's a new toy and game for you and you will need to try it all for yourself. I'm just giving you my personal experience not only with my own shooting but my tow boys and I have had the privilege to be away from the shot a lot( we have several supressors) so I get to hear how loud thay are from different distances. I honestly just wanted you to know what to expect realistically.

When you have as many pigs as we do and a freezer full, wild hogs DO NOT have an appeal of dinner or supper, especially when you can smell them before even taking a shot. Hogs and coyotes get ditched unless we happen to shoot some little ones and have someone wanting them. So buzzards get them either way. Heck even when we catch them with dogs, we stick’em and drag’em to where the buzzards can get them.

Again, I’m sure I’ll come to the same conclusions, but my first job is getting a decent pattern on paper without a suppressor and then with the suppressor. Once that happens, then I’ll try them out on game. Don’t pay attention to those YouTube videos of guys shooting 100-300 yards at night. We’re more along the lines of 50-100yd shooters. Why? Can’t see too much farther from the deck, so no rainbow effect with the bullets. If I was to go to a more open area I’m definitely using regular ammo. If I’m deer hunting I’m using regular ammo, especially if we’re riding and thinning. Shoot, load’em up, find more, repeat.
Have you shot the ammo I posted? And if so, what caliber? Here’s a pic…

Ignore the background packaging in the pic…had to get a new TV. And the walker…hope after another week I’ll graduate to a cane.

Yup, while it might be perfectly legal gunshots at night is sure to start some nasty gossip at best or visits from the guys in green at worst.

Not to mention Deputies waiting on you at the gate and calls in the middle of the night to landowners.

No I have not tried that. Honestly 30 cal sub I have only shot in black out. But same heavier weight bullets and under 1100 fps gets the same result regardless name of the cal on the case. Going from memory but black out subs have 8 to 12 inches of drop at 100 yards. Vs +/- 1" or so depending on scope height of supper ammo is rainbow to me.

I read a ton looked at every test I could find then bought and loaded several combos and red neck tested them. Finally decided to stick with supper sonic except with rimfire and handguns.

Different folks like different things and have different requirements.

It like everything in life we go through stages. With me in firearms it changes. Went through the big revolver, rifle cal single shot, semi auto pistol, .22 rim fires, shotgun and various games and hunting, tactical rifle, pistol and shotgun, .long range presion. Sone I go back and forth with others only had my interest for a time.

I'm glad we don't have the destructive pigs to deal with here. Seems like big trapping pens would be the most effective way to kill the most the fastest. But shooting would be more fun.

IF you hand load or can get them loaded = Cutting Edge Bullets. Will expand down to like 700 or 800 fps. Maybe expensive. But they shoot well subsonic and kill well

Never done subsonic but the 338 Spectre looks interesting.

https://shootingsavvy.com/338-spectre-is-a-pig-thumper/

I have loaded .300 BO and .308 subsonic for hogs. The most obvious difference between sub and super sonic is the hydraulic shock . If you are looking for recovery, use super sonic, They will usually drop right there due to the shock. Useing subsonic, I have to wait for the right shot. For me that is a heart or lung shot. It will kill them dead, but you will have to do some tracking.
Also when reloading subs be very careful, The difference between a stuck bullet and 1100 fps isnt much. Shoot on paper and make sure they are going straight before putting on the can.

Trapping works to an extent. It seems if you miss just one pig out of the sounder it becomes extremely tough from then on out. I had a spot a sounder was showing up on a regular basis. Told the manager to move the hog camera there and once they were used to it we’d move the trap. That was 2 weeks ago and they haven’t shown since. Pigs ain’t stupid. Their eyesight sucks is their only downfall. Their hearing is very good, but can be overcome. Their sense of smell is better than or equal to a coyotes it seems. They catch a molecule of human scent and they are GONE.
We trap, we’ll run dogs, and snipe any pig at any time. They seem to be nomadic. We may go 2-3 months with NO sightings or sign, then like overnight we’ll get different sounders on 3-4 cameras. Best day was 11 in the trap, dogs came that morning and caught 3 and we ended up shooting 2 the dogs spooked as they were chasing after 1 pig. So 16 pigs that morning. Two nights later, 2 different sounders on camera, lol. It is a never ending battle.

As far as playing with suppression, I’ll leave it with the larger calibers. I ordered the Banish 30 from silencer central and it can be used on anything from a .22 to a 300WIN MAG. I’ll throw in on the 5.56 and 7.62 and use it when hunting. The subsonic is just for the .308 to see what it can/will do. It’ll be a little overkill for coons and possums but don’t think for a second I won’t send it at night if I see one on the deck or over feed.

I have some property on a US Highway. Got a text last summer of a big boar hog. Jumped in the truck and took off. Ten min trip. Got over there, snuck up on him and shot one time - 11 PM. As I pulled up to the highway and got out to lock the gate - state trooper pulls up with lights on. He asked me if I heard a shot and I said yes, it was me - and produced a picture of a hog with my rifle laying across it. We got into a ten min discussion about thermal scopes and best hog calibers. Good guy.

As far as land owners, I once got a phone call from my next door neighbor - asking if I was OK. I said yes, why do you ask, and he said “well, I havent heard you shoot in three days”

I have heard positive things about the Banish 30 but have not heard one yet. I didn't host my silencer metering event at the farm this year. I likely won't make it to the one in Georgia next Saturday either so won't hear one tell next year at the earliest.

I need to drop the Cash and have my trust adjusted and drop some form 4s in the mail. I'm thinking another SAS Arbiter .30 since I only have one of them and 5 rifles with their tomb mounts. The 36 m has my attention and can run it on 35 cal and down up to 338 lapua. I also could use more .22 lr cans for my boys.

Well, my son took the rifle this morning. I was just just leaving the Docs when he called and told me I wasted my money. I said well it was worth a shot and he cracked up and said Dad I’m joking, but you’re going to need another box of bullets.
It started out with my son, one of his work buddies, and the pecan manager. They shot and immediately started calling folks. My son shot, his buddy shot twice, the overall manager came down and shot, the dog kennel manager shot, and a couple other guys.
One guy has a .300BO and he said his now sounds like he’s shooting without a suppressor and he’s shooting suppressed and subsonic. They quit shooting the target because the impact was so loud and started shooting into loose dirt and it was even quieter. He said you can shoot it one handed standing on one leg if you wanted…no recoil whatsoever. They were saying an air rifle is louder than the .308.
Now to get it sighted in a see what it will do on critters.

He did call and let me listen and I immediately thought squib, lol.

I have trouble with a 10/22 suppressed with sub-sonic ammo. I can get a round or two off and then it will not cycle. Anyone else have this problem?

The ammo I’m using is for bolt guns only. I would assume you’d have to specifically look for cycling subsonic ammo for a caliber. Then again, it may just be for the larger calibers that applies to.

Wanna Be- how's the Banish 30 treating you? Try out that subsonic 308 yet?

I use .22 lr subsonic for rodents and pests

I have used subsonic 22s for dispatch on the trapline. It worked OK.

Got the suppressor in late Jan and I’ve been so busy with the regular ammo I haven’t even shot suppressed. I don’t even know if I have any left after my son and everyone else shot it.

As far as how I like the Banish 30…I just ordered another, lol. Wanted another to have 2 night rifles ready to go and can swap a can to a daytime rifle as well.

I hear you. I love mine, been considering ordering another as my son comes of age. I haven't tried the subsonic ammo, but regular barnes ttsx does the trick and is pleasant to shoot without ear protection in hunting situations.

I bought some 220gr 300 blackout hallow point boat tail. It was less than a dollar a round…. as soon as the come in I will test the expansion on pigs and let you know.
Edit…from freedom munition

clean your action thoroughly an if that doesn't work you'll need to swap out your action spring. I've got an integrally suppressed 10-22 I had same issues with. correct spring installed made all the difference. I feed it standard velocity hp cci or fiocchi standard velocity hp.

I use the Sig Sauer 205gr for my 300 BO. It has been a very reliable load that has taken 4-5 bucks and several does. It was perfect for kids starting out or who were recoil and/or noise shy. It is almost ‘movie quiet’ with either my Howa mini or mini Mauser with dead air sandman suppressors. Longest shot was 75 yards and it was the only bullet recovered. Shot entered the flank just ahead of the ham and was found lodged in the front shoulder.

For 22lr, I really like the SK standard, but CCI standard works well also. Using my CZ 452 and dead air mask, it is more quiet than most BB guns. I just wish I had this as a kid shooting squirrels out of mulberry trees.

Love that stuff in .22RF, and so do my rifles.

Wanna Be, this thread might cost me money. Have you seen the new Banish Backcountry? 5.5 inches, 7.8 ounces, 135 DB at the ear.

Yeah, saw that. I’m think I’m gonna shoot some with the 7” config and see how that “sounds” to me. May end up getting the Backcountry later or maybe the Speed K.

When target shooting with the sun behind you, you can see the bullet go into the target.

I have shot a lot of pigs, foxes, beavers at short distances of 50-70 meters with subsonic cartridge

308 caliber