Re: Auto engineers not very intelligent
[Re: WI Outdoors]
#7961406
09/30/23 12:38 PM
09/30/23 12:38 PM
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Green County Wisconsin
GREENCOUNTYPETE
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I used to work with auto engineers. I helped launch the Ford Expedition. They told me that they design for the ease of manufacture, not repair.
Garryowen Using reverse engineering. Easy to build should be easy to take apart. Lol nope it is easier to put bolts in from the inside to the outside as you build the chassis that way the impact wrench is on the outside on the nut but then the gas tank goes in as the next step so sure it would be easy if the gas tank wasn't in the way zip that nut off , but have to cut the bolt or remove the gas tank because there is not room
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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Re: Auto engineers not very intelligent
[Re: WI Outdoors]
#7961407
09/30/23 12:38 PM
09/30/23 12:38 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
St. Louis Co, Mo
BigBob
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OR: Remove the bed on a PU Truck to get at the fuel pump, or make the Zerks, (grease fittings) Physically IMPOSSIBLE to get at! That's why Machinist's and Mechanics DETEST engineers!
Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.
Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.
Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
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Re: Auto engineers not very intelligent
[Re: T-Rex]
#7961429
09/30/23 01:20 PM
09/30/23 01:20 PM
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East Texas
BTLowry
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Who designs a vehicle where removal of intake is required to change spark plugs? Idiots. neighbors nephew is a mechanic was in a meeting with some auto company engineers and his co-workers , some of the guys are griping about how hard it is to work on some of these new ones , before the meeting starts and they are supposed to be on the same team. one of the engineers states very mater a fact "WE ARE NOT IN THE BUISSSNESS OF REPAIRING CARS" then no more is said let that sink in , they are NOT in the business of repairing cars at the manufacture even if the tech at the dealership is thus everything is from the mindset of make it last longer than the warrantee and who cares if it can be fixed , the auto company doesn't make money fixing cars it makes it selling you a new one. The bold above is false Dealerships make more on repairs (body and mechanical work) than selling a car. Also selling tires, oil changes and various other "service" work. I have known a few general managers and all told me the same thing. For example, there is a book that gives repair times for certain things. Let's say for a plug change for a V6 F150 it states 4hrs. Now let's say the average Ford mechanic can do the job in 2.25 hrs. Guess how much labor you pay for? 4 hrs That is why when I do need to pay someone to fix my stuff it is either an independent OR warranty work Whine all you want. Cars these days are much better than ever before. Sure some maintenance is more difficult, but consider the mileage and intervals.
If you don't like it move to Cuba, where they are still running classic1957 Chev's. Who designs a vehicle where..... Beancounters! As for idiots; It is more likely to be the whiney consumer that the engineering team. Auto engineer per chance? And I know too many folks with new cars with problems to fall for "newer is better" so I will keep driving my 99 Tacoma
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Re: Auto engineers not very intelligent
[Re: T-Rex]
#7961522
09/30/23 04:10 PM
09/30/23 04:10 PM
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St. Louis Co, Mo
BigBob
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. If you don't like it move to Cuba, where they are still running classic1957 Chev's. They ain't running them, they're just sitting, rusting, waiting for parts they can't get!
Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.
Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.
Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
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Re: Auto engineers not very intelligent
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#7961530
09/30/23 04:23 PM
09/30/23 04:23 PM
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Beatrice, NE
loosegoose
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4 hours labor mechanic does it in 2.5 hours so is 1.5 hours ahead in pay for the day. This is a good incentive for them, however the rushing to get a job done and onto the next not so good for the guy who’s car is being worked on. At the same time, if a rusted bolt snaps, and the repair turns into a 3 day ordeal, the customer is still only paying for 4 hours of labor.
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Re: Auto engineers not very intelligent
[Re: WI Outdoors]
#7961537
09/30/23 04:39 PM
09/30/23 04:39 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
West Virginia,age 49
cathryn
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Who designs a vehicle where removal of intake is required to change spark plugs? Idiots. I bet it was a man,lol 
IF IDIOTS GREW ON TREES THIS PLACE WOULD BE AN ORCHARD !
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Re: Auto engineers not very intelligent
[Re: loosegoose]
#7961541
09/30/23 04:48 PM
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Illinois
DRF
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4 hours labor mechanic does it in 2.5 hours so is 1.5 hours ahead in pay for the day. This is a good incentive for them, however the rushing to get a job done and onto the next not so good for the guy who’s car is being worked on. At the same time, if a rusted bolt snaps, and the repair turns into a 3 day ordeal, the customer is still only paying for 4 hours of labor. Bet that happens often
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Re: Auto engineers not very intelligent
[Re: cathryn]
#7961557
09/30/23 05:32 PM
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WI
WI Outdoors
OP
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WI
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Who designs a vehicle where removal of intake is required to change spark plugs? Idiots. I bet it was a man,lol  Lol. I bet you're right.
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Re: Auto engineers not very intelligent
[Re: WI Outdoors]
#7961633
09/30/23 07:28 PM
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Very SE Nebraska
Gary Benson
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The idea is for a person to not be able to work on his own car. They want you to pay $200/hr labor to a dealership
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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Re: Auto engineers not very intelligent
[Re: WI Outdoors]
#7961658
09/30/23 08:26 PM
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Oakland, MS
Drifter
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2000 Tundra hid their starter under the intake.
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Re: Auto engineers not very intelligent
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#7961711
09/30/23 10:23 PM
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Idaho
bearcat2
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let that sink in , they are NOT in the business of repairing cars at the manufacture even if the tech at the dealership is
thus everything is from the mindset of make it last longer than the warrantee and who cares if it can be fixed , the auto company doesn't make money fixing cars it makes it selling you a new one.
The bold above is false Dealerships make more on repairs (body and mechanical work) than selling a car. Also selling tires, oil changes and various other "service" work. I have known a few general managers and all told me the same thing. For example, there is a book that gives repair times for certain things. Let's say for a plug change for a V6 F150 it states 4hrs. Now let's say the average Ford mechanic can do the job in 2.25 hrs. Guess how much labor you pay for? 4 hrs That is why when I do need to pay someone to fix my stuff it is either an independent OR warranty work
The AUTO COMPANY doesn't make money fixing cars. The dealership does, but other than their need for someone to sell the cars they make, the auto companies could care less about the dealership and how they make their money. Once the car is sold and any warranty they might give (not some third party extended warranty) is up, they could care less about the car. Unless it is absolute pile of crap compared to its competition, which will hurt future sales, they really don't care. And it has to be a pretty big pile of crap to get most people to switch brand loyalty, so even piles of crap sell, just at a little lower volume.
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