Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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later harvested beaver have more felt, weight of felt extraction does matter in this market
Didn't seem to matter last spring.....paying close to same avg for southern as northern....what's changed? So far nothing...it's all speculation on our part.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
[Re: cathryn]
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Last year on the second FHA sale my best beaver (heavy brown super blanket in the 3rd lot) went for just $6 more than a 65" bit full of holes light wt that I had on the sale. $46 for the former and $40 for the latter.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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The posted auction averages do not reflect the avg for our section of fur here.
No question that northern beavs are much better than southern beavs, but if I could calculate the average for ONLY the best from way down here, I could say that too.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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Maybe WissMiss can enlighten us, but I know they have a few pelts representative of each string to look at, touch or whatever. My guess is that buyers focusing on felt can guess within a few ounces of what those beaver weigh.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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Do the buyers at the auctions have scales? Isn’t the hatter market all about the weight of the pelts? Wondered this too. All these beaver are hatters. I've never had a buyer pull out scales....in 40 years.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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At the auction they dont sell by weight-they are sold to the highest bidder.Like BP said,the show lots are available for inspection-the high end garment makers will know what grade they want to bid on and every other user right down the line will know what grade suits their use. If there is a bunch who want them they bid against each other and the price goes up.and if no one wants the junk that they get from time to time, after offering for several auctions,they get burnt.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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Canada Goose got Peta'd and suddenly there was no need for coyote fur. Look up what trajectory the felt hat market is on right now. It's the high quality beaver felt hats pushing that market, the cheaper wool and rabbit fur stuff hat are doing well too but I don't think will knock out the use of beaver for the premier hat makers. I feel that Richard Hilton getting shut down on the auction he was planning on selling his 200,000 tanned coyotes at hurt the coyote market more than Canada Goose did. When NDFTA had its sale going there was one buyer that claimed he was buying for Canada Goose and he never bought a coyote. Was Hilton selling all of his coyotes to Canada Goose? Darn close to the mark here!! There are years worth of coyotes sitting all over the world, a repetition of the coon market, and they are still hard to sell a decade or more later.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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After they all rot away the market demand will pick up again.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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Beaver market is getting interesting.
I hope you all weren't in a hurry to sell or at least held some back.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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Beaver market is getting interesting.
I hope you all weren't in a hurry to sell or at least held some back.
I don’t know, people in the “ know” said sell early! Mine are up in north bay.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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Mine are still on the boards and still swimming under the ice lol.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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The June sale should be a rocket. Never sell too much early on a rising market.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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The June sale should be a rocket. Never sell too much early on a rising market. Sell into strength! It got legs? How far is it gonna run? “You’re only as good as your last sale”
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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Follow the bouncing ball if you have had a bit of fur on all the previous sales to guage. Plus be much better skins on the june sale.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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It IS fun following that bouncing ball and the endless speculation about what will happen (or is happening) on the beaver market. As always, it all boils down to supply and demand.
We know that demand is solid, so the only loose end is supply. And to me that's what makes all of this so interesting. Soon FHA will announce how many beaver they will have on their first sale. My guess is that it won't be significantly more than last year's first sale. That could light a fire under the felt buyers to be a bit more aggressive. Now the unknown is how many beaver Groenewold (and any other smaller players) are collecting. I don't think they ever reveal numbers, but there was a rumor that they are easing up a bit on prices being paid in the southland anyway.
But yesterday's Malvern sale in Arkansas seemed to be solid according to reports.
Meanwhile I've hard rumors that via private treaty the major felt buyers are now at $24/lb. This will likely allow some of the country collectors (who increasingly are weighing beaver and paying by the lb) to pay up to $20 and still make margin.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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Buyers like GFW will have to be careful "easing up on southern beaver". The northern harvest can't keep up with the felt demand. To continue to collect a sizeable amount of southern beaver.....prices need to at least stay at last spring's prices. Too much of a downturn and it'll stifle the trapping efforts that they're trying to increase. It's a delicate balance when there are so few southern beaver trappers.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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Groenwold is buying less than they thought they would I don’t know what that means but it was stated.
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Re: Beaver trappers..sell early and often
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Groenwold is buying less than they thought they would I don’t know what that means but it was stated. Curious as to where you heard that? But if so that is a good thing to support solid prices going forward. I was doing some mental calculations a bit ago and to me it appears that beaver prices are roughly three times higher than what they were two years ago. Ain't that swell?
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