So anyone else see these big mega church televangelist preachers and just fell something about them is really really really off ? I Mean besides all brain washing folks to make them believe God wants them to give them money for private jets fancy cars and stuff.( look into the prosperity gospel if your curious)..I mean. They just look and sound , off. Like Kenneth Copeland is pretty dang creepy

They're all BS artists

Nothing new. The Kenneth Copelands of Jesus' day were called the Sanhedron and they saw to it Jesus got crucified.

look up Joel Olsteen

I sure enough would not buy a used motorcycle from him

"the good that most of these ministries accomplish" ???
I have a problem with that. The word "most " especially.
If people would all look into their books i bet they would be shocked to find out how much corruption is there, as to where "all" their money is going.
They play on people's hearts & are good at taking people's money.
But to each his own. Enjoy

M ost modern churches and there leaders are in it for the money.

I'm all for how someone connects to their GOD.
It's the amount of corruption that has ensued that bothers me

Hirelings the Bible calls them. Get into a good local church with a pastor who cares about his flock and knows them by name, lives alongside his people, not above them. Hard to find, but they are out there.

Few facial.expressions from one short clip.
Dude is nightmare fuel.

My guess is either Demonic possession or tardive dyskinesia due to anntipshycotic meds.
Maybe both...

I love the movie Pale Rider.
Clint Eastwood--- Preacher quotes scripture. You can only serve one master, God or Mammon.
Mammon meaning money.
This being said, God can use even men like Kenneth Copland to lead peaple to Christ.
Rom 8 : 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
There are many who follow false teaching and when they are convicted to research the hypocrisy they come to the truth through the world and guidance from the Holy Ghost.

I agree with what Warrior said about the sanhedren, they were hypocrites.
This hypocrisy is the same meaning as the word guile Revelation 14:5 And in there mouth was found no guile; for they are without fault before the throne of God.
This is speaking of the 144,000, saying no hypocrisy.

That guy is pretty creepy.

Ya think?

Not all preachers are in it for the money! Some are but to say most is a stretch.

Kenneth Copeland is not a man of God or a godly man. He is a shyster who preys on the populace.

Some preachers are there to Sheppard the flock and some are there to fleece it. The signs between the two can be small but obvious if one knows what they need to look for.

The bigger the Church the more likely it is that it is led by a false teacher.

I'm a firm believer that you can't buy your way into Heaven.

Or work your way.

Or it's a church that is lead by a true man of God. If your church doesn't grow, you might need to verify the message.

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No. Most or more are into the money. Then there is the pedophilia issue. Look into that too

I would hate to guess how much my parents gave Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell, Oral Roberts, and David Wilkerson. Mom still sends money to swindlers of their caliber but will not tell me any details. I would not be surprised if Copeland is successfully scamming her. The only thing in my book scummier than swindling the religious, is someone that preys on children.

Where's Peter Popoff and his lady? Selling the little tube of genuine holy water?

The peds are in the Catholic chuch not a Bible Church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Southern_Baptist_churches

they are all the same

the "prosperity gospel" guys are preaching heresy.

Sin is sin, no one is immune.
Bad peaple infiltrate into places we don't intend on them being.
The truth is there everywhere churches schools,Law enforcement, politics, so on.
You can't take the sin out of man.

You are all judging and condemning those that preach the gospel. Please tell me how any of you have done better and are "more" righteous than any mentioned pastor/preacher/evangelist mentioned so far.

God gave us the gift of discernment for a reason. If we chose not to listen or use it that's our free will. Why do you think there are so many warnings in the Bible about false teachers? Think God warns us without cause or without explanation that we will be faced with them?

The "health wealth and prosperity gospel", "name it and claim it" movement, etc is a shallow works-based Gospel that tells people that if God shows favor to them He'll make them rich and healthy, and that they can perform certain acts to obtain God's favor. Several of them (notably Joel Osteen) don't talk about (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) and the consequences of sin and unrepentence.

I Googled it and found at least 54 verses about false teachers/prophet

There are quite a few wolves in sheep's clothing out there. Not everyone who has a big church is a con man, however. This is why you should learn scripture for your self instead of just accepting anything someone in a pulpit says.

Billy Graham was one such preacher, a true man of God.
I remember years ago, a reporter who liked to expose some evangelists went after Mr. Graham. He was shocked by what they found. His clothes, shoes, and suit were bargain basement quality. He didn't drive fancy cars and lived in an average, mediocre style home. In all fairness, they reported it as such.

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This is more rampant then you think. Look into it. Child trafficking too

Quite a few years ago my wife got excited about a new local church & began attending services. I went with her a few times and the preacher had a charismatic personality, as well as being a gifted orator.

The congregation was made up of everyday blue collar lower to upper middle class folks who were doing okay, but by no means rich...

Decided to drive by that preachers home & lo and behold his castle was worth 5× as much as any of his flock...I never went back and he soon transferred to a very wealthy church in Texas.

I worked on quite a few VERY nice Cadillacs owned by churches/preachers whose congregations came from VERY poor neighborhoods.

Just something to think about on the pastor's money thing...most arent full time preachers. They have regular jobs outside the church.

I am with hoss on this one
The focus on the family group has some great pastors

I met Ernst Anglie a few time as well as the reverend Popov

Still got my healing hanky,,,, drank my miracle spring water with Crown…

Well I can tell you for sure I'm not in it for the money. I do not preach a prosperity gospel, I don't drive a caddy, I don't live in a house 5x more valuable than my congregation, I don't have an airplane, and I don't try to be an entertainer. I am not abusing the women or the kids. I am not building a ministry for myself, I am working on and in the Kingdom of Christ. I have never used a small church as a stepping stone. Most of my life in order to fulfill the call God gave me I have worked 2 jobs. I have had some good jobs and some lousy ones in these decades of service. When I have traveled to minister I have never asked "how much $." I have been appreciated and I have been ridiculed, loved and hated, desired and detested. Through it all I have been blessed. Not every blessing in life has a $ sign attached to it, the best ones especially don't.

What I have done is preach the whole counsel of God, without fear or favor, to the many or the few, whether accepted or rejected. I have not changed the message to suit anyone whether to condemn or cajole or coddle. It really is a simple story: Heaven or ell, no other or in-between. Get right or get left (behind) and the only way to God, Heaven, etc is through Jesus Christ, His death & resurrection, who is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Someday I will stand before the Lord and my goal and driving purpose is to hear him say "Well done." I hope to take as many as I can with me.
This is my life; I can only speak for me.

A few closing thoughts:
If your preacher won't tell you the truth, regardless of whether it hurts your feelings or brings you gratification, my advice is find another preacher.
If your congregation will accept the fun & games, social events, etc but won't accept the whole gospel, maybe look for another congregation.
And finally, shepherds don't make sheep. Sheep make sheep.

We would like to see a copy of your tax return for validation sir..... lol
Jk. Your stuff sounds pretty solid to me

… pastor Phil is the best

I honestly think there is an especially hot place in he ll reserved for people like him, Jim and Tammy Baker, Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen and others. They are tools of the devil. Sickening.

Just out of curiosity what kind of church do you preach at? Like, what denomination?

Assembly of God, of the old school, traditional variety.

Please tell me how Joyce Meyer has been a tool of the devil? I have met and worked with several Christians who were fed and discipled under her ministry. You stated it and now I would like your proof of how her ministry has not built the kingdom of God. See we cant serve two masters and you indicate she is serving satan.

And again, I still stand - how many of you critical folks have led, taught, discipled more men to Christ than the folks you tear down? Are you doing Christs work by tearing down those you may be opposed to or are you actively correcting them as scripture calls for? Are you without sin? Are you being the disciple God called all Christians to be?

The best con is the one where the mark never realizes they were conned.

Internet is full of people who gave many thousands to someone they met on a “dating” site.

Blackdog I believe the position you hold and are trying to make with those questions is unbiblical. If I'm understanding you right your position is that we have no authority or right to judge these spiritual leaders. If that is your position I'd be ok with a friend debate that stays to this point and holds strictly to the teachings of the Bible.

i have done all you have said, and my issues with Joyce Meyer are MANY. She has said many, many things that conflict with the Bible's teaching and has led many people astray. She also has a life outside of the public eye that seriously conflicts with the teachings of Jesus. She includes just enough truth to deceive people like you. She is 100% heretic.

To the Sanhedrin - Jesus was a heretic as they did not understand Him.


I have no problem with judging people. I am a relatively good fruit examiner. I will not cast stones on less than first hand experience. My own wife misunderstands my words at times. I prefer to edify and build up rather than tear down.

I have never said don't use wisdom or discernment. I don't know Joyce Meyer but have heard her teachings and they line up with Gods Word for what I have heard. I have not walked with her or gotten to know her or spent time with her outside or in her ministry.

This I know

John 5:24 ESV
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 3:36 ESV
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Matthew 24:11-13 ESV
And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

1 John 5:11-13 ESV
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

John 10:28 ESV
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

1 John 5:13 ESV
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

Romans 10:9 ESV
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Matthew 7:21 ESV
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Hebrews 10:26-27 ESV
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.

John 3:16 ESV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 8:31-32 ESV
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

Romans 8:1 ESV
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Interesting that you added all those Bible verses, the very book that Joyce Meyer said You can't trust.

If I may ad to this. TreedaBlackdog
In the parables of the wheat and the tares, the master says do not remove the tares, that in doing so the wheat may also be pulled up. Paraphrase
He goes on to say let them grow together, then at end the of harvest they will be seperated.

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They need legally looked into & their corruptness put to an end.

Don't worry gentlemen, it will all pan out come judgment day.

Giant sage if we are not to worry why does the Bible have over 50 verses talking about false teachers/prophets? Doesn't seem not to worry about is the message being translated.

I believe the Bible calls us repeatedly to be on the look out for false teachers.

Considering the context of the whole Bible a strong case could be made that this scripture could be talking about the general flock not about false teachers and false prophets

I see your point ,
So who is the Shepherd and who are the sheep?
Context is everything.
I do believe we should beware of false teachers and false prophets.
We are the watchmen. Peaple who follow false teaching will be shown the truth if it's in God's will.
But you have to get past your own will first.

Are you saying that if someone is preaching/teaching heresy, nobody is to call them out on it?

Yes sir
Sorry I missed this reply.
You asked, why worry.
2 Timothy 1:7 for God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
The apostle Paul does tell us to reprove unfruitful works of darkness.
In Ephesians 5:10-15
He says so that we can be awakened ,
So that we may walk circumspectly and not as fools.
No worries, I will fear no evil.

This

I used the word " worry" more in the context of, being concerned with or about. Not so much in the context of fear

Don't worry gentlemen, it will all pan out come judgment day.[/quote]

That's my view.

Yes sir
I got it, and I'm with you on being concerned.

… if you ain’t handling serpents and drinkin pison… you ain’t no real preacherman

… I’d only seriously listen to one I saw survive that a few times

Mark 16:18
New King James Version
18 they[a] will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them

.. seen it done before but those hand’s didn’t claim to be religious

Just make sure the preacher's sister ain't milking the snakes before he goes on stage....

Good point … be hard to figure out whose actually speaking in tongues or just lost wetbacks these days as well

Off topic Savell... but if you've not watched the series Justified, you need to. They SAY it's set in eastern kentucky, but it could just as well be Eastern TX. And it's where you're see the milking the snakes for the preacher trick.

… my Dad watched it religiously when it came out Yote lol